Greatest Football Player EVER Retires....

FT · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:27 pm

Damen Wrote:

FT Wrote:

Rice is certainly one of the all-time greats, but THE greatest is the guy who threw him the ball...

JOE FUCKING MONTANA!!!

As a diehard 49er fan I'm not even sure he's the greatest QB ever.

My take on the greatest? Ronnie Lott.

To me, great = personal accolades + team championships. Nobody out there -- QBs or otherwise -- can match JoMo when it comes to that.

BUT, I will give you props on the Lott pick. I have ALWAYS said he's the best defensive player of all time. Let's see LT have the same impact minus an appendange. Lott was BAD. ASS.

Black Magic Putin · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:28 pm

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Par of this has to do with longevity. Part of it has to do with stats. Part of it has to be that I saw him.

And, in the end it has to do with my ability to put all of these things together.

And there is no disputing me on these things once I have made up my mind.

pretty much. by your argument Darrell Green is the greatest defensive player of all time.

Spade Kitty · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:49 am **Posts:** 4401

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Spade Kitty Wrote:

Sayers should not be in the hall, and this is coming from a Bears fan.

I take it all back, Spade----you are actually a rational human being. :wink:

I thought you'd lose your shit on that one.

Hey Brian's Song brings a tear to my eye like anyone else's, but Sayers needed two more seasons.

The flip side of this argument is how much I hate the fact that Emmitt Smith is considered among the best ever simply because of durability...he was beyond a mammoth line for most of his career and has a very average YPC number. He's very clearly at least number 4 behind Brown, Payton and Sanders...

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:28 pm

Lt. Col. Kilgore Wrote:

On the longevity issue, for the record, I don't think Koufax belongs in the Hall. Yet if I had to win one game and could take any pitcher in his prime...

Steve

Agreed. Arent Drysedale and Whitey Ford both in the Hall with less than stellar numbers as well?

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:32 pm

Spade Kitty Wrote:

The flip side of this argument is how much I hate the fact that Emmitt Smith is considered among the best ever simply because of durability...he was beyond a mammoth line for most of his career and has a very average YPC number. He's very clearly at least number 4 behind Brown, Payton and Sanders...

I put him at #3, slightly ahead of Sanders mainly because Emmit liked to get in the end zone and Sanders actually got pulled out on a lot of goal line situations----I like guys who have a nose for the endzone and Emmitt certainly did.

Plus, its not his fault that he played behind that line----dude still had to execute.

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:34 pm

Joey Crack Wrote:

And there is no disputing me on these things once I have made up my mind.

pretty much. by your argument Darrell Green is the greatest defensive player of all time.[/quote]

Scotty D might say that but not me.

LT is #1 defensively

Lott is a close second BTW

Black Magic Putin · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:35 pm

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Scotty D might say that but not me.

is scotty d someone i should know? is he someone on the board or someone that works for you or something? i feel like you bring him up a lot and i don't know what you're talking about.

Dunwoody Dude · **Joined:** Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:20 am **Posts:** 2869

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Lt. Col. Kilgore Wrote:

On the longevity issue, for the record, I don't think Koufax belongs in the Hall. Yet if I had to win one game and could take any pitcher in his prime...

Steve

Agreed. Arent Drysedale and Whitey Ford both in the Hall with less than stellar numbers as well?

Drysdale doesn't belong. Ford is a bit tougher call, but you know Yankees always get the break. Waiting to hear from Twilight Kid on him AND Rizzuto.

Steve

paper · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:38 pm

wait, Brett Favre didn't retire yet...

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:38 pm

Joey Crack Wrote:

Yail Bloor Wrote:

Scotty D might say that but not me.

is scotty d someone i should know? is he someone on the board or someone that works for you or something? i feel like you bring him up a lot and i don't know what you're talking about.

nah, you dont know him; he's a homeboy of mine and the Senators.....we just for some reason end up dropping his name all the time.

he's a funny dude, completely different than me. calls any music that isnt hard core rap "white folks music"

Patrick Bateman · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:38 pm

theres no such thing as "best football player ever"
rice is the best wr ever

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:40 pm

Lt. Col. Kilgore Wrote:

Agreed. Arent Drysedale and Whitey Ford both in the Hall with less than stellar numbers as well?
Drysdale doesn't belong. Ford is a bit tougher call, but you know Yankees always get the break. Waiting to hear from Twilight Kid on him AND Rizzuto.

Steve

I think Whitey is probably legit on cummulative numbers and postseason performances.

Kinda like Smoltz will.

Fucking Rizzuto. Is Billy Martin in as a player, too?

Sketch · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:44 pm

FT Wrote:

To me, great = personal accolades + team championships. Nobody out there -- QBs or otherwise -- can match JoMo when it comes to that.

Tom Brady is getting dangerously close in half the time with less offensive talent around him.

EDIT: My JoeMo-pumping-gas-comment was a bit of an exaggeration to attract attention (it almost worked). I do think he's horrdenously overrated.

Yail Bloor · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:02 pm

So, because I'm really bored I pulled Whitey's career stats:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=fordwh01

Being 120 games over .500 is pretty cool. Attention Nolan Ryan.

Dunwoody Dude · **Joined:** Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:20 am **Posts:** 2869

Yail Bloor Wrote:

So, because I'm really bored I pulled Whitey's career stats:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=fordwh01

Being 120 games over .500 is pretty cool. Attention Nolan Ryan.

Yeah, I took a closer look. Whitey definitely belongs.

Steve

shiv · **Posted:** Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:51 pm

my faves

[img][344:500]http://personal.monm.edu/TSNYDER/Walter%20Payton.jpg[/img]

Billzebub · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:26 pm **Posts:** 6459

Oh man, no love for the Boz?????

Damen · **Posted:** Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:57 am

FT Wrote:

Damen Wrote:

FT Wrote:

Rice is certainly one of the all-time greats, but THE greatest is the guy who threw him the ball...

JOE FUCKING MONTANA!!!

As a diehard 49er fan I'm not even sure he's the greatest QB ever.

My take on the greatest? Ronnie Lott.

To me, great = personal accolades + team championships. Nobody out there -- QBs or otherwise -- can match JoMo when it comes to that.

BUT, I will give you props on the Lott pick. I have ALWAYS said he's the best defensive player of all time. Let's see LT have the same impact minus an appendange. Lott was BAD. ASS.

Yeah it is pretty hard to argue with 83/122 (68%) for 1,142 yards 11 TD's & ZERO INT's in 4 Superbowls.

Tom Brady if he reaches another Super Bowl would have to go 12/14 for 407 yards & 5 TD's & get an INT on defence to undo the one he threw vs Carolina to match Montana's numbers.

jewels santana · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:36 pm **Posts:** 10198

Randall Cunningham.

i'm kidding, but he could have been, had buddy ryan realized that there is an offensive and defensive side to the game.

dude threw 407 yards in a thick fog to fred barnett and calvin williams, and people called him a choke because of it.

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