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OK, kids. Gimme your opinion on these events:

1. Who killed Kennedy?

2. Did we really land on the moon?

3. Two allegedly fixed elections: FDR being elected is a communist coup. Eisenhower being elected is a military coup. Discuss.

4. TWA Flight 800? WTF????

5. That plane that went down over Queens NY. WTF??

6. That EgyptianAir plane. Was that really the pilots who spouted off BS Islamic rhetoric before they intentionally crashed the plane?

7. The Oklahoma City bombing. McVeigh was definitely there IMHO, but what of this alleged other fella: Namely that he may have been an Iraqi schooled in the explosives that were used to take down that building....Also, that evidence that the explosion actually came from the Inside of the building, not the other way around.

Just weigh on any one's that you have a take on.

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4. TWA Flight 800? WTF????
ey intentionally crashed the plane?


Surface-to-air rocket launced from the coastline. And a pretty good shot, too. 'Nuff said.


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 Post subject: Re: Obner-Opinion: Yail Bloor's Conspiracy Theory Thread.
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Yail Bloor Wrote:
OK, kids. Gimme your opinion on these events:

1. Who killed Kennedy? Oswald, alone

2. Did we really land on the moon? -- Yep

3. Two allegedly fixed elections: FDR being elected is a communist coup. Eisenhower being elected is a military coup. Discuss. You are insane

4. TWA Flight 800? WTF???? -- It crashed. Remember that planes weigh in the tons, it is a miracle they fly in the first place

5. That plane that went down over Queens NY. WTF?? -- Wind shear or whatever from the plane in front of it

6. That EgyptianAir plane. Was that really the pilots who spouted off BS Islamic rhetoric before they intentionally crashed the plane? -- Like you wouldn't be saying "HEP ME JEBUS!!" if Ejunk was crashing your plane.

7. The Oklahoma City bombing. McVeigh was definitely there IMHO, but what of this alleged other fella: Namely that he may have been an Iraqi schooled in the explosives that were used to take down that building....Also, that evidence that the explosion actually came from the Inside of the building, not the other way around. -- it did come from inside...and under, you know where they planted the fucker. Oh, and I used to drive past that hotel they stayed at in Junction City every day on my way to 9th grade. To those people, BRETT would be an Iraqi

Just weigh on any one's that you have a take on.


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 Post subject: Re: Obner-Opinion: Yail Bloor's Conspiracy Theory Thread.
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Yail Bloor Wrote:
OK, kids. Gimme your opinion on these events:

1. Who killed Kennedy?

Kennedy was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. I don't buy any of that Clay Shaw shit or that the military was involved because they were concerned that Kennedy was going to pull out of Vietnam. Johnson didn't have anything to do with it either!

However, saying that Oswald pulled the trigger is not the same as saying he acted alone. I believe there might have been an "unholy alliance" between different factions who felt Kennedy had fucked them over-organized crime, Cubans etc. and that they played a part in having Oswald sitting there in the book depository, picking his nose, until the motorcade came by.

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 Post subject: Re: Obner-Opinion: Yail Bloor's Conspiracy Theory Thread.
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Senator <> LooGAR Wrote:
There are no conspiracies. THREE PEOPLE CAN KEEP A SECRET IF TWO OF THEM ARE DEAD


This statement does two things for me...
1) makes me think Loog knows more than we think he does
2) makes me damn well want to stay on his good side

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 Post subject: Re: Obner-Opinion: Yail Bloor's Conspiracy Theory Thread.
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juice Wrote:
Senator <> LooGAR Wrote:
There are no conspiracies. THREE PEOPLE CAN KEEP A SECRET IF TWO OF THEM ARE DEAD


This statement does two things for me...
1) makes me think Loog knows more than we think he does


Yeah, thats a real Bug-a-boo. Loog obviously knows/suspects a ton of stuff but holds on to this theory of peoples inability to hold a secret----its mainly a means to protect his family who are openly involved in at least half of these things. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Obner-Opinion: Yail Bloor's Conspiracy Theory Thread.
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Yail Bloor Wrote:
juice Wrote:
Senator <> LooGAR Wrote:
There are no conspiracies. THREE PEOPLE CAN KEEP A SECRET IF TWO OF THEM ARE DEAD


This statement does two things for me...
1) makes me think Loog knows more than we think he does


Yeah, thats a real Bug-a-boo. Loog obviously knows/suspects a ton of stuff but holds on to this theory of peoples inability to hold a secret----its mainly a means to protect his family who are openly involved in at least half of these things. :wink:


which brings us back to #2

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Oswald alone? That's crap, there's enough science to suggest there had to be at least one more gunman. Biology and physics says no to the magic bullet and lone gunman.

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DumpJack Wrote:
Oswald alone? That's crap, there's enough science to suggest there had to be at least one more gunman. Biology and physics says no to the magic bullet and lone gunman.


I agree with you on this one. The evidence just doesnt add up. Plus the job just looked a little too "good: to have been pulled off by a guy like Oswald.

And Ruby doing Oswald makes NO SENSE unless there was more at play there.

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DumpJack Wrote:
Oswald alone? That's crap, there's enough science to suggest there had to be at least one more gunman. Biology and physics says no to the magic bullet and lone gunman.


TELL THAT TO ARLEN SPECTER!!

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
DumpJack Wrote:
Oswald alone? That's crap, there's enough science to suggest there had to be at least one more gunman. Biology and physics says no to the magic bullet and lone gunman.


I agree with you on this one. The evidence just doesnt add up. Plus the job just looked a little too "good: to have been pulled off by a guy like Oswald.

And Ruby doing Oswald makes NO SENSE unless there was more at play there.


And that's just considering all of these observations in a reasonable fashion. When you start reading about a lot of backstory on the characters involved, you can't accept it. I recommend the following book, it's exhaustively researched and is a hell of a story about US intelligence.

The Man Who Knew Too Much - Dick Russell

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Senator <> LooGAR Wrote:
DumpJack Wrote:
Oswald alone? That's crap, there's enough science to suggest there had to be at least one more gunman. Biology and physics says no to the magic bullet and lone gunman.


TELL THAT TO ARLEN SPECTER!!


Does Herold Hord have pics of you? You blindly believe the findings of the Ford Commision and probably support his pardon of Nixon, too. ("Dude, it spared the country anymore pain") Sad, sad, sad.....

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Make your own conspiracy theory.

http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/conspiracy.html

In order to understand chaos theory you need to realize that everything is controlled by a foundation made up of Puertoricans with help from school teachers.
The conspiracy first started during the Civil War in Hoboken. They have been responsible for many events throughout history, including Watergate.

Today, members of the conspiracy are everywhere. They can be identified by smoking cigarettes

They want to shoot Jesus and imprison resisters in Boise using cabs.

In order to prepare for this, we all kill ourselves. Since the media is controlled by Ted Kennedy we should get our information from Neil Boortz.


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9/11.


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OPA! Wrote:
9/11.


wuh?

And SERIOUSLY! none of you guys have theories or thoughts onmore of these?

I mean, I understand that you the Rosevelt/Eisenhower stuff might be a little too crackpot/academic for most but gimme something!

Its not like I'm questioning the authenticity of an attempted Anarchist takeover when McKinley got offed....Ooops, that did happen. Damned anarchists Anarchists and their back-ass takeover schemes.

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 Post subject: Re: Obner-Opinion: Yail Bloor's Conspiracy Theory Thread.
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Yail Bloor Wrote:
OK, kids. Gimme your opinion on these events:

1. Who killed Kennedy? I think Oswald got some help - not sure from whom

2. Did we really land on the moon? Yes of course.

3. Two allegedly fixed elections: FDR being elected is a communist coup. Eisenhower being elected is a military coup. Discuss. Neither.

4. TWA Flight 800? WTF???? Don't know much about it, but planes crash.

5. That plane that went down over Queens NY. WTF?? Ditto

6. That EgyptianAir plane. Was that really the pilots who spouted off BS Islamic rhetoric before they intentionally crashed the plane? Might be something to this but don't know much about it.

7. The Oklahoma City bombing. McVeigh was definitely there IMHO, but what of this alleged other fella: Namely that he may have been an Iraqi schooled in the explosives that were used to take down that building....Also, that evidence that the explosion actually came from the Inside of the building, not the other way around. Haven't heard these conspiracy theories, but McVeigh probably had some help from someone.


Just weigh on any one's that you have a take on.



I don't believe in alien abduction or that aliens have come to this planet. Area 51 is probably just a base where we test experimental military crap.

im not really a big conspiracy guy - I think the government is fairly incompetent and so full of leaks that most of the big stuff would have come out by now if it truly exists.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
OPA! Wrote:
9/11.


wuh?

And SERIOUSLY! none of you guys have theories or thoughts onmore of these?

I mean, I understand that you the Rosevelt/Eisenhower stuff might be a little too crackpot/academic for most but gimme something!

Its not like I'm questioning the authenticity of an attempted Anarchist takeover when McKinley got offed....Ooops, that did happen. Damned anarchists Anarchists and their back-ass takeover schemes.


The faked moon landing idea has always been interesting. Even if it's completely unlikely, I like to hear other versions of "what happened." All those plane crashes/OK bombings certainly suggests something other than the accepted story.

As for 9/11? I heard a whole bunch of theories one drunken evening this past spring. It was one of my last nights in London and a bunch of co-workers and I went to a patio, where everyone kindly bought me beers all night. After about 7 hours of steady boozing, everyone has taken off and it's just me and another fella left. I knew him pretty well, but we had never hung out and boozed like this. At work, he was a physicist and a serious one at that. The dude was all work. Anyway, it's past midnight and we're both pretty hammered. Conversation all evening had been just general work type stuff mixed with music, movies etc. Then after everyone has departed, he says "What do you know about 9/11?", to which I reply "as much as everyone else.." He then proceeds to tell me over the next 2 hours until closing time, all the possible reasons why the towers were detonated internally with real engineering/physics details, who was responsible and why etc etc. Real New World Order type stuff, but in an insane amount of detail and coherency for someone so drunk. It kind of freaked me out and I wish I had someone else there who heard it. I still don't know what to think because I totally respect the guy as a scientist.

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i have a friend who swears up and down that there are over 100000 dead US soldiers in Iraq. what does he base this on? he says the price of plywood has increased dramatically.

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Chris, I'm assuming that since you didn't include it, you're just assuming that everyone agrees that FDR knew Pearl Harbor was coming?

Also, I don't know if it can be called a conspiracy, but what's your take on the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in '67. Personally, I don't buy Israel's explanation.

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Chris, I'm assuming that since you didn't include it, you're just assuming that everyone agrees that FDR knew Pearl Harbor was coming?


Yeah, I think that one, along with the Gulf of Tonkin (and maybe even the Luthsatania) are pretty well accepted as having possibly having crossed that line from conspiracy into history....

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Also, I don't know if it can be called a conspiracy, but what's your take on the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in '67. Personally, I don't buy Israel's explanation.

Steve


Hmmm. I've not done much research on that one despite the fact that I did my Senior Thesis in History at UGA on nuclear weapons in Israel. (which pretty much led to a personal obsession with 20th Century South Africa in relation to Israel as well)

A lot of weird shit has happened with the Israelis. I have a love affair with the Zionist movement people but I also find them to have maybe been a little cruel to the point of barbaric.

BTW, I'm not really a big believer in those Aryan "the Jews run the world" theories.

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[Hmmm. I've not done much research on that one despite the fact that I did my Senior Thesis in History at UGA on nuclear weapons in Israel. (which pretty much led to a personal obsession with 20th Century South Africa in relation to Israel as well)

A lot of weird shit has happened with the Israelis. I have a love affair with the Zionist movement people but I also find them to have maybe been a little cruel to the point of barbaric.

BTW, I'm not really a big believer in those Aryan "the Jews run the world" theories.


Dude, I have a funny ass story to tell you off board about Kruegerrands and Dem Diamonds.

Oh, and you know why those fuckers are 'cruel to the point of barbaric'? Look at the animals they are fighting against for their very existence, you know SAND THEM.

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