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http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1854

They have an article called 'soulseeking' right on the front page. Slsk really doesn't need anymore publicity and yet this thread is hanging out there for the entire world to see. I just want the network to hang around for as long as possible and titles like that certainly aren't helping matters any. It wouldn't be that big of a deal if it was one and done but other Stylus writers are going to be weighing in on this very topic for weeks to come. I let myself be heard on this very topic but so have a bunch of others.

Great article BTW and could be a topic in itself and I would have a lot to say…

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It's not like anybody reads that magazine anyway. And by anybody I mean me...yeah.

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That website is trash.

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BeeOK Wrote:
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1854

They have an article called 'soulseeking' right on the front page. Slsk really doesn't need anymore publicity and yet this thread is hanging out there for the entire world to see. I just want the network to hang around for as long as possible and titles like that certainly aren't helping matters any. It wouldn't be that big of a deal if it was one and done but other Stylus writers are going to be weighing in on this very topic for weeks to come. I let myself be heard on this very topic but so have a bunch of others.

Great article BTW and could be a topic in itself and I would have a lot to say…

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dude, you act like Soulseek is some totally invisible network that none of the record companies know about.


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yeah seriously. there's probably tens of thousands of people already using it. i doubt stylus sells that many copies of each issue. besides, you've gotten countless hours of free music.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:27 pm 
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Yes. Soulseek has been around since at least early aught-three, because I remember, when Pitchfork ran a news-item about the impending Goblin Cock album, they sub-headed it "Thy name is SLSK wishlist".

Three years or so or more is a pretty good run, for an online file-sharing operation....


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Who DOESN'T know about soulseek? And why do you read Stylus's site? Is there ever ANYTHING of worth on it? For the last year or so, at least?


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BeeOK Wrote:
Slsk really doesn't need anymore publicity and yet I am going to post it on a messageboard, thereby giving publicity to Soulseek AND Stylus Magazine, which one could argue actually works against my own aims. Then again, I'm a waterhead and couldn't take the time to vote in November because I got a nibble of that sweet poontang.

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That is not what I meant. I know the record company's know about the site but it still hasn't been named in a lawsuit. I just don't feel a major, or semi-major, Indie web site should have this great big bird and featured article splashed on the front page. Why not call it KaZaa then? I just don’t want the publicity, what is the point of that?

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I know I used it in 2002. Not sure if that matters.

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Who DOESN'T know about soulseek? And why do you read Stylus's site? Is there ever ANYTHING of worth on it? For the last year or so, at least?


stylus is pretty decent sometimes.

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i havent used it in months. i use bittorrent exclusively now. as for the article, i do pretty much the same thing. download a hell of a lot. but he makes it into a bad thing. i enjoy having loads of new music to listen to. but i also dont download so much that i cant get attached to a certain album or band. i have the best of both worlds.


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The second part of what I was talking about was brought up by Fastnbulbous on another board (partly my fault) and thought it could bring up some discussion (cut and paste):

This is supposedly the first installment of a new regular column. Problem is, if Nick hasn't actually downloaded anything for over a year, what's he going to write about? Maybe this is the only time the actual Slsk will be referenced, and the rest will simply wax philosophical about whatever. I personally was hoping it would be a forum to geek out about latest obsessions, triggered by downloaded discoveries. I could fill a few columns about recent longtime searches finally hitting the jackpot, like Haruomi Hosono's fascinating mid-70s forays into music of Polynesia and New Orleans.

Instead, this is just another all-too common case of the burned-out critic. While even mighty icons like Lester Bangs have fallen under this malaise, I have little sympathy. It looks to me like a case of a small child allowed to devour anything he wants in a candy store, only to be found hours later huddled in the corner, covered in vomit, crying and vowing he'll never eat candy again. That old cliche "too much of a good thing" really does apply, be it exercise, sun, ice cream, music or tequila (it's amazing how many people have had a "bad experience in collge" with tequila and can't bear to touch it again).

So whatever happened to self control? You know, pacing yourself so you don't ruin your enjoyment? It seems pretty simple, but it looks like there needs to be some sort of group therapy sessions for burned out critics...

"Feeling inadequate that you can't hear every good album? Can't get excited about your favorite band's new albums? Has mixing too many genres in one day turned everything to a gray blur? Come to Dr. Fester's Retreats for Aesthetes and wash that ennui away within our revolutionary patented aqueous bulbs. For the first day or two, they serve as traditional isolation tanks where you are cut off from all visual and aural stimulation. Thereafter, the bulbs can be transported to environments where people can be seen enjoying music, such as shows and festivals. But you won't be able to hear anything. Alternatively, select patients will be subjected to repeated listens to albums by the Dave Matthews Band or Hoobastank. Either way, after several days we guarantee you will be eager to be free to enjoy music of your choice once again."

I've listened to a lot of music. When I start to feel burned out on absorbing new stuff, I take a break. But rather than make an ass of myself and blabber in public that there's no good new music anymore (to be fair, this is not what Southall said, but I see this all the time), I just spend some time enjoying old favorites. Simon Reynolds responded in his blog that the problem isn't a glut of self-produced crap, but rather the massive amount of "pretty-good-to-almost-excellent" to wade through. It's true there's more of everything -- shit to almost great. Who cares? That only means that if you simply go with the flow and follow your "muse," e.g. dig deep into a current obsession with a certain band or sound or subgenre, you're more likely than ever to stumble upon pleasant surprises.

Recently I wrote an installment of "What Were Your Most Anticipated Albums?", an exercise to remember what it was about certain bands and albums that made me so excited and passionate about them. I haven't introduced the question to this board because I felt it would die a quick death of sarcastic one-liners for all those "too cool 4 skool" to write anything earnest or real. But then again, maybe I'd be pleasantly surprised.

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Nick made some very valid points. Slsk has lessened my appeal for music. When you are able to hear anything within a matter of moments and judge (mainly rush judgment) than it’s bound to happen. I have no idea how many albums I have on my hard drive that I have never even got around to playing. When you throw in stuff I have only heard once or twice than its ten fold.

Tony, on the other hand, comes from a different point of view. Where I mainly agree with him is on points where music critics burn out. If you are no longer enjoying your job than quit. I hate the argument that there is no good music anymore. There is tons of stuff that really gets me excited about music in the year 2005. It keeps going and going and that is the things that blow me away. How am I still able to love Black Sheep Boy like I enjoyed Clouds Taste Metallic? That is a question for the ages but I Love Music.

This is a huge reason why I brought up my love for the Arcade Fire’s Funeral last week. Sure some people made fun of me for it but to actually talk about why you love certain things the way you do is sometimes the lost art. It’s so easy to criticize this and that but to say I fucking love this album and I don’t care what others think is something I will do over and over again.

The reason why I like CMJ/Obner in the first place was it’s passion for music. True you can’t talk about it all the time but this community is a great source for my obsession. Thanks Obner for just being you and I hope it continues for years to come.


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yeah, Stylus is hardly exposing anything thats not common knowlege. and even if it does go down, and they all go down, new stuff will start.

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Definitely used it a bunch in mid 2002 and I think it had been around in 01, specifically for more electronic stuff...

I dunno, it's been around so long...

I think all of us have probably gone through the music overdosing thing, but it's how you come out on the other side of it that counts. I spent nearly all of my waking hours when I wasn't with my band or gf obsessively downloading from mid-02 through mid-03, because I was unemployed and had a new harddrive. 3 years later, I'm elated that I had that experience, because I was able to expose myself to SO MUCH STUFF, in a focused and sometimes precise manner (which would've previously been impossible in history).

I went from elated at consumption/collection, to that NEEDMORESONGS thing, to utter impatience with any song (constantly changing in mid-song, which I attribute as a major reason for ending my DJ'ing career). But, over time, I started noticing trends and ways of utilizing this amazing access tool. Just hearing that much music was quite a lesson in songwriting and understanding how utterly similar most western pop music tends to be, and therefore, knowing at a fairly instinctive level, how to separate the true school from the 3rd wavers.

I think I would've "hit bottom" at some point, but I became so intolerant towards whatever new thing was being pitched, that I now consider myself a lot more in touch with what I genuinely enjoy and what I simply won't waste my time on. I think most music fans arrive at that point via one path or another, no?

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Who DOESN'T know about soulseek? And why do you read Stylus's site? Is there ever ANYTHING of worth on it? For the last year or so, at least?


stylus is pretty decent sometimes.


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