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I seriously should have paid attention in school!

When you end a sentence with a word in quotes, does the period go inside or outside of the quotation mark?


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I've always put it inside, I believe this as being correct.

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Vanlandingham Wrote:
I've always put it inside, I believe this as being correct.

do you know if that applies to commas and parenthesis as well, commas go inside?


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Logan Wrote:
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I've always put it inside, I believe this as being correct.

do you know if that applies to commas and parenthesis as well, commas go inside?


I'm pretty sure commas go on the outside (like this), ...yeah that seems right.

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With quotation marks the comma almost always goes inside.


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Vanlandingham Wrote:
Logan Wrote:
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I've always put it inside, I believe this as being correct.

do you know if that applies to commas and parenthesis as well, commas go inside?


I'm pretty sure commas go on the outside (like this), ...yeah that seems right.

damn, ok.. there should be a universal rule, always inside or always outside. :evil: thanks for the help!


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If you're quoting something, specifically a whole sentence, then the period/question mark goes inside the quotes. If it's a partial statement, then the period/quotation mark goes outside of the quote. For example:

Jimmy said, "You fuckin' bitch!"

Jane couldn't believe that Jimmy called her a "fuckin' bitch".


Hope that helps.


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Aural Fixation Wrote:
If you're quoting something, specifically a whole sentence, then the period/question mark goes inside the quotes. If it's a partial statement, then the period/quotation mark goes outside of the quote. For example:

Jimmy said, "You fuckin' bitch!"

Jane couldn't believe that Jimmy called her a "fuckin' bitch".


Hope that helps.


Thanks for correcting me on that. My writing skills=not so good. They don't really teach engineers to write.

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Aural Fixation Wrote:
If you're quoting something, specifically a whole sentence, then the period/question mark goes inside the quotes. If it's a partial statement, then the period/quotation mark goes outside of the quote. For example:

Jimmy said, "You fuckin' bitch!"

Jane couldn't believe that Jimmy called her a "fuckin' bitch".


Hope that helps.


I don't think this is right, at least not universally.

Jane couldn't believe that Jimmy called her a "fuckin' bitch."

This is more standard than outside. Most uses outside of the quotation marks that I see are with partial sentence qoutatiions with question marks.

[i]Did Jimmy call Jane a "fuckin' bitch"?


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Aural Fixation Wrote:
If you're quoting something, specifically a whole sentence, then the period/question mark goes inside the quotes. If it's a partial statement, then the period/quotation mark goes outside of the quote. For example:

Jimmy said, "You fuckin' bitch!"

Jane couldn't believe that Jimmy called her a "fuckin' bitch".


Hope that helps.

you're blowing my mind. ok, so, just to make sure I have this.

Sue, you're not going to believe this, Jimmy called Jane a "bitch".

that would be correct, with the period outside?


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in law school they seem to want punctuation inside the quotes - at least my professors do

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I just checked the dictionary.com style guide and they say that commas and periods ALWAYS go inside the quotations.

http://dictionary.reference.com/writing ... ation.html


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Aural Fixation Wrote:
If you're quoting something, specifically a whole sentence, then the period/question mark goes inside the quotes. If it's a partial statement, then the period/quotation mark goes outside of the quote. For example:

Jimmy said, "You fuckin' bitch!"

Jane couldn't believe that Jimmy called her a "fuckin' bitch".


Hope that helps.


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I would normally but the period in the quotes but it's not something I'd lose much sleep over.

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QUOTATION marks, like hyphens, should be used only when necessary. The degree of necessity will vary slightly with the mental state of the audience for whom a book is intended. To an educated man it is an annoyance to find his author warning him that something written long ago, and quoted every day almost ever since, is not an original remark now first struck out. On the other hand, writers who address the uneducated may find their account in using all the quotation marks they can; their readers may be gratified by seeing how well read the author is, or may think quotation marks decorative.

H. W. Fowler. The King's English, 2nd ed, 1908.

I was scared to put quotation marks around it.

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konstantinl Wrote:
I was scared to put quotation marks around it.

hahaha!

ok, thanks everyone help your help. :)


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This rule kills me. I usually switch it up. One time I'll put the comma inside the quotes and the next outside. I know for actual quotes the punctuation goes inside and I've always assumed it was the rule that punctuation always goes inside but sometimes it just looks better the other way around. For example, when I'm listing album titles and I put them in quotes, I'll usually put the commas outside the quotations marks.

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And the correct answer is....

1) Views advocated by Dr. Whately in his well-known 'Essays';

It is enough for us to reflect that 'Such shortlived wits do wither as they grow'.

We hear that 'whom the gods love die young', and thenceforth we collect the cases that illustrate it.

(1 a) 'You are breaking the rules.' 'Well, the rules are silly.'

(1 b) 'Certainly not;' he exclaimed 'I would have died rather'.

(2) 'I cannot guess' he retorted 'what you mean'.

(3) But 'why drag in Velasquez?'

But what is the use of saying 'Call no man happy till he dies'?

Is the question 'Where was he?' or 'What was he doing?'?

How absurd to ask 'Can a thing both be and not be?'!

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this reminds me of the Dan Savage column, "womens advice on how to eat pussy"

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jewels santana Wrote:
this reminds me of the Dan Savage column, "womens advice on how to eat pussy"


So then,would it be women's or womens'?

:?

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Finch Platte Wrote:
jewels santana Wrote:
this reminds me of the Dan Savage column, "womens advice on how to eat pussy"


So then,would it be women's or womens'?

:?

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Who gives a fig how its spelled? Just read the column! If you brush up on your skills it wouldn't take us so damn long!

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