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It is not "absolutely the wrong call". Anyone who says the replays are conclusive has not seen all the angles. Sorry.


You need to get a stronger prescription on those glasses. It's conclusive. Even Burhele last night was hinting it was the wrong call.

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wow, you're right.... you really proved that point

I mean, I finally see it your way now.

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1) It is a point considering many Angels fans feel they were entitled to win a game that they never led in.

I never said they deserve to win shit. Just because they never held a lead does not mean that it was impossible for them to win. Perhaps they should have enforced the third out of the 9th, then before the 10th got underway, Scioscia could announce that the Angels would forfeit, since they never led in the game.

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2) In other words, Escobar gets a free pass for serving up a meatball to a mediocre hitter in your opinion.

In other words, the 9th inning is OVER. Period. If Crede pops a double leading off the the bottom of the 10th, fine, but the game would still continue until someone scored.


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3) Who's proving anything? The Angels weren't showing any offensive signs of life either, were on the last legs of their effective relief corp and meanwhile the White Sox were completely shutting them down with merely one pitcher and hadn't cracked the bullpen yet. In an extra inning game all things equal, who is favored by a wide margin? The home team. In an extra inning game with one team using most of their bullpen and one team not, who is favored by a wide margin? The latter. And yet the Angels fans I've spoken to feel they were entitled to this game somehow because of a fluke judgment. It's preposterous.

Just because a team is favored doesn't mean it's a given that they will win. Gimme a fucking break. Perhaps we shouldn't play the games, but just let Jimmy the Greek pick the winners.

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4) If you look at the center cut closeup yourself, it's pretty easy to see that the ball changed direction. I've seen all the available angles and the center cut extreme closeup tells the story.

OH YEAH, GUESS I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. So did everyone else, dipshit. Thanks for the eagle eye pointing out everyone's mistake.


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5) And yet you think Konerko's non-swing couldn't have changed the outcome either, right? Bullshit.

I don't even remember watching this at-bat, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it was the wrong call.

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6) The home plate umpire looked at Paul waiting for him to tag him in the replays. Clearly. He even stated this in the postgame press conference.

What a surprise. I would love to see the Vegas odds on an official in any sport in a playoff series coming out and saying, "Yeah, I'm a dipshit. Sorry guys," like Richie Garcia did on the Meier ball. Oh wait, he didn't.

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And how is whatever the first base umpire doing indicative of what should or shouldn't be happening? For all you know he didn't even see the strike, as his view was completely obstructed by the fact he was staring at the back of a left handed hitter in that entire sequence


Well for starters, it's called being in position to make the call on a play at first. Secondly, AJ crossed the plate and started toward the dugout before deciding to make a scam on first, so the first base ump was no longer looking at his back, as you so boldly stated. Also, with an 0-2 count and a batter stepping across the plate, I think he could assume it was a strikeout rather than a walk or HBP, especially since he swung at the pitch.

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wow, you're right.... you really proved that point

I mean, I finally see it your way now.

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I'm not trying to prove a point, dick. It's obvious for everyone who has eyes and is not a Sox fan. No need to prove because you look like a homer who can't see past his Sox colored glasses. To imply the outcome was not affected by the call (which you did) is plain DUMB. I'm not claiming the Angels would have won. Who knows, but the Sox winning was defintely affected by a pretty much universally accecpted blown call.

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And how is whatever the first base umpire doing indicative of what should or shouldn't be happening? For all you know he didn't even see the strike, as his view was completely obstructed by the fact he was staring at the back of a left handed hitter in that entire sequence


Well for starters, it's called being in position to make the call on a play at first. Secondly, AJ crossed the plate and started toward the dugout before deciding to make a scam on first, so the first base ump was no longer looking at his back, as you so boldly stated. Also, with an 0-2 count and a batter stepping across the plate, I think he could assume it was a strikeout rather than a walk or HBP, especially since he swung at the pitch.

It's one thing to be a fan. It's another to be a douchebag fucking homer with no concept of objectivity.


So since he couldn't see whether or not the ball hit the dirt and assumed it didn't and started walking away, he's correct? This is preposterous.

I figure you would eventually resort to the "homerism" argument once you got tired of actually debating real points. I've already stated that it's inconclusive. I never even said "the ball hit the ground". I said "the ball changed direction" which I believe is indisputable.


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wow, you're right.... you really proved that point

I mean, I finally see it your way now.

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I'm not trying to prove a point, dick. It's obvious for everyone who has eyes and is not a Sox fan. No need to prove because you look like a homer who can't see past his Sox colored glasses. To imply the outcome was not affected by the call (which you did) is plain DUMB. I'm not claiming the Angels would have won. Who knows, but the Sox winning was defintely affected by a pretty much universally accecpted blown call.


Again, the homerism argument rears its ugly head. Original.


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Spade Kitty Wrote:
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And how is whatever the first base umpire doing indicative of what should or shouldn't be happening? For all you know he didn't even see the strike, as his view was completely obstructed by the fact he was staring at the back of a left handed hitter in that entire sequence


Well for starters, it's called being in position to make the call on a play at first. Secondly, AJ crossed the plate and started toward the dugout before deciding to make a scam on first, so the first base ump was no longer looking at his back, as you so boldly stated. Also, with an 0-2 count and a batter stepping across the plate, I think he could assume it was a strikeout rather than a walk or HBP, especially since he swung at the pitch.

It's one thing to be a fan. It's another to be a douchebag fucking homer with no concept of objectivity.




I figure you would eventually resort to the "homerism" argument once you got tired of actually debating real points. I've already stated that it's inconclusive. I never even said "the ball hit the ground". I said "the ball changed direction" which I believe is indisputable.


your real points is just splitting hairs.

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wow, you're right.... you really proved that point

I mean, I finally see it your way now.

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I'm not trying to prove a point, dick. It's obvious for everyone who has eyes and is not a Sox fan. No need to prove because you look like a homer who can't see past his Sox colored glasses. To imply the outcome was not affected by the call (which you did) is plain DUMB. I'm not claiming the Angels would have won. Who knows, but the Sox winning was defintely affected by a pretty much universally accecpted blown call.


Again, the homerism argument rears its ugly head. Original.


way to pick up on one part, and dismiss the whole thing. Original.

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This is the thing, and you can blast me all you want for being a "homer" or whatever.

I thought if we could get past the ninth even with just a tie, the Sox would win because of the way the bullpens were setting up. I thought Ozzie was downright crazy for running Buehrle out for the ninth, but the bottom line is that the Angels couldn't really bring K-Rod in (fourth straight day) and would've had to resort to Gregg or Yan in the bottom of the tenth. I was salivating at this prospect.


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Are you gonna cry again, and say you're not coming around here anymore than go to hipinion till they hurt you feelings again?

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oldbulee Wrote:
Are you gonna cry again, and say you're not coming around here anymore than go to hipinion till they hurt you feelings again?


This is really applicable to this thread, douchebag.


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I thought if we could get past the ninth even with just a tie, the Sox would win because of the way the bullpens were setting up.


Once again, it's a foregone conclusion, so why do we even bother to play the games?

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Did you ever play baseball, or are you one of those kids with "asthma".

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Elvis Fu Wrote:
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I thought if we could get past the ninth even with just a tie, the Sox would win because of the way the bullpens were setting up.


Once again, it's a foregone conclusion, so why do we even bother to play the games?


I never said it was a foregone conclusion. This is dumb. You are totally twisting my words here. I said that I felt good about the Sox winning the game given everything that happened even up until 2 outs in the ninth.


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Are you gonna cry again, and say you're not coming around here anymore than go to hipinion till they hurt you feelings again?


This is really applicable to this thread, douchebag.


Not applicable at all. I just wanted to make fun of you.

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Did you ever play baseball, or are you one of those kids with "asthma".


I played right field for 6 years at the highest possible level for my age.


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Did you ever play baseball, or are you one of those kids with "asthma".
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Did you ever play baseball, or are you one of those kids with "asthma".


I played right field for 6 years at the highest possible level for my age.


12?

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It was a bad call.
But... sometimes the calls go one way, sometimes another way.

Angels fans are gonna bitch, and rightfully so.
Although there have been and will be more bad calls.

And before we get into it, EVERY bad/blown call effects the outcome of the game. Because you never know.

And yeah, this is a playoff game so it sucks for the Angels extra-bad.

But as a Chicago sports fan I say: It's about damn time one of these calls goes our way, for a change.

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The absence of MarkClark in this thread speaks volumes.

I'm rootin' for the ChiSox and can honestly say that was the weakest post-season 'W' I've ever witnessed. Botched call. Blue should be fined and not able to call another game this season.


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It was a bad call.
But... sometimes the calls go one way, sometimes another way.

Angels fans are gonna bitch, and rightfully so.
Although there have been and will be more bad calls.

And before we get into it, EVERY bad/blown call effects the outcome of the game. Because you never know.

And yeah, this is a playoff game so it sucks for the Angels extra-bad.

But as a Chicago sports fan I say: It's about damn time one of these calls goes our way, for a change.


Todd, you're right. It's part of the game. Before the call, I didn't care who won, and was probably leaning towards pulling for the Sox, but this has given me something to root for.

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As an O's fan, I have no sympathy for any other team losing a playoff game because of a bulls**t call.


Jeffrey Maier, that magnificent bastard.

I think that he's in law school now.


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oldbulee Wrote:
PopTodd Wrote:
It was a bad call.
But... sometimes the calls go one way, sometimes another way.

Angels fans are gonna bitch, and rightfully so.
Although there have been and will be more bad calls.

And before we get into it, EVERY bad/blown call effects the outcome of the game. Because you never know.

And yeah, this is a playoff game so it sucks for the Angels extra-bad.

But as a Chicago sports fan I say: It's about damn time one of these calls goes our way, for a change.


Todd, you're right. It's part of the game. Before the call, I didn't care who won, and was probably leaning towards pulling for the Sox, but this has given me something to root for.


I'm taking it from your post that you are rooting Angels not because of what an Angels player or White Sox player did, but because of a call an umpire made.


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