Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 

Board index : Music Talk : Rock/Pop

Author Message
 Post subject: bush nominates alito
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:42 pm 
Offline
"Weddings, Parties, Anything…"

Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:50 pm
Posts: 853
Location: lawrencekansas
this is going to be a bitchin comfirmation fight. i'm making popcorn.

Quote:
October 31, 2005
Nomination Likely to Please G.O.P., but Not Some Democrats
By CHRISTINE HAUSER and DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
President Bush nominated Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr., who currently serves on the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, to the Supreme Court today, four days after his previous choice withdrew her nomination.

The nomination is likely to please Mr. Bush's conservative allies, whose sharp attacks on Harriet E. Miers were instrumental in prompting her to withdraw last week. But the president is more likely to get a battle from Democrats and liberals who may believe Judge Alito's views are too extreme.

Over the weekend, Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader, warned President Bush not to pick Judge Alito, 55. "I think it would create a lot of problems," Mr. Reid said on "Late Edition" on CNN.

Mr. Bush this morning described Judge Alito as having an "extraordinary breadth of experience" and as being "tough and fair." Referring to his long career and his current role on the appeals court, the president said Judge Alito now has "more prior judicial experience than any Supreme Court nominee in more than 70 years."

"I urge the senate to act promptly so that an up or down vote is held before the end of this year," Mr. Bush said at the White House as he presented Judge Alito as his nominee.

Judge Alito, speaking as his wife and two children looked on, said that he was deeply honored to be nominated. He said he had long held the Supreme Court "in reverence," and reminisced about his first time arguing a case there in 1982, when Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, whom he would replace on the court, sensed that he was a "rookie" and made sure that the first question he was asked was a kind one. "I was grateful to her on that happy occasion, and I am particularly honored to be nominated for her seat," he said.

He said he was also struck with a sense of awe by what the court stands for as an institution: equal justice under law.

Judge Alito said he looked forward to working with the Senate in the confirmation process.

An early signal of conservative approval came from Gary Bauer, a prominent social conservative, who called the choice of Judge Alito a "grand slam home run." Mr. Bauer, interviewed on CNN, called the judge a "mainstream conservative" and predicted that while there would be a battle from Democrats, Judge Alito would ultimately be confirmed. "They'll try to label him as extreme, but when you get into the hearings, you'll get into specifics," he said.

Republicans close to the selection process had said over the weekend that Judge Alito, Judge J. Michael Luttig of the Fourth Circuit, Judge Alice M. Batchelder of the Sixth Circuit, and Judge Priscilla R. Owen of the Fifth Circuit were leading candidates.

Mr. Reid had already said he would object to the selection of Judge Luttig or Judge Owen. And on Sunday, he did not rule out the possibility that Democrats would try to block a nominee by a filibuster or refusing to close debate and vote. "We are going to do everything we can" to see that the president names "somebody that's really good," Mr. Reid said.

But Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, fired back Sunday, saying that if the Democrats staged a filibuster against Judge Alito or Judge Luttig because of their conservatism, "the filibuster will not stand."

Mr. Graham's warning was significant because he played a crucial role earlier this year in helping block a Republican effort to change the Senate rules - known as the nuclear option - so that Democrats could not filibuster judicial nominees. His comments on Sunday indicated that this time, he would support that rule change; Democrats have threatened to retaliate with a battle that could snarl Senate business for months.

According to a statement released by the White House this morning, Jude Alito was born in April 1950 in Trenton. He graduated from Princeton University in 1972, and went to Yale Law School, where he earned a J.D. in 1975. From 1977-1980, Judge Alito served as an Assistant United States Attorney in the appellate division, where he argued cases before the circuit court to which he was later appointed.

From 1981 to 1985, Judge Alito served as assistant to the solicitor general. He has argued 12 cases on behalf of the federal government in the United States Supreme Court and he has argued numerous others before the federal courts of appeals.

His career included serving as deputy assistant to the attorney general from 1985 to 1987. From 1987 to 1989, Judge Alito served as United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey, where he prosecuted white collar and environmental crimes, drug trafficking, organized crime, and violations of civil rights, the White House said.

He was nominated by President Bush's father, George H.W. Bush, in 1990 to the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.

He has been nicknamed "Scalito" for his ideological similarity to United States Supreme Court Associate Justice Antonin Scalia.

Both sides were on edge the last few days in anticipation of Mr. Bush's announcement. "There's a lot of anxiety," Senator Arlen Specter, the Pennsylvania Republican and chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said on "Late Edition." "There could be a real tough battle here and a real tough fight, depending on whom the president puts up."

Mr. Specter said he was "very worried" about the possibility of a filibuster. "The topic which dominates the discussion, as we all know, is a woman's right to choose," said the senator, who supports abortion rights.

He continued: "You have both sides poles apart, and insistent on finding some answer to that question in advance of the hearing, which no one is entitled to. Guarantees are for used cars and washing machines, not Supreme Court justices."

The new attempt at naming a second Supreme Court justice presents a rare opportunity for Mr. Bush to revitalize his political base and to put his mark on the court at a time when the White House is besieged.

Polls show Mr. Bush's popularity at a new low. American casualties continue to mount in Iraq, the president's domestic agenda is in limbo, and the White House is reeling from the indictment of I. Lewis Libby Jr., a top aide, a day after the withdrawal of Ms. Miers.

But because the nominee would succeed Justice O'Connor, who was the swing vote on abortion rights and other social issues, it seemed clear that any pick that pleased conservatives would most likely meet ferocious resistance from the left. The withdrawal of Ms. Miers has emboldened the left and the right to step up their demands.

On Sunday, Senator Reid and other Democrats sought to capitalize on the president's political vulnerabilities.

"If he wants to divert attention from all of his many problems, he can send us somebody that is going to create a lot of problems," Mr. Reid said. "I think this time he would be ill advised to do that. But the right wing, the radical right wing, is pushing a lot of his buttons, and he may just go along with them."

Unlike Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. or Ms. Miers, Judge Alito and the other potential nominees said to be on Mr. Bush's short list have judicial records indicating at least a narrower view of the Constitution's protection for abortion rights than positions taken by Justice O'Connor.

A Democratic filibuster of a Supreme Court nominee would take the Senate back to a standoff that gripped the chamber earlier this year, after Democrats used the tactic to block several of the president's appeals court nominees.

The Democratic minority was able to hold up the confirmations because Senate rules allow a group of at least 41 senators to block a vote.

To overcome them, Senator Bill Frist, the Republican leader, threatened to call for a simple majority vote that could change the rules and eliminate the tactic. The ensuing threats and counterthreats set off national advertising and lobbying campaigns by interest groups who saw it as a proxy for a battle over a potential Supreme Court confirmation.

In the final hour before the showdown, Senator Graham and Senator Mike DeWine, Republican of Ohio - both opponents of abortion rights who had previously said they would vote for the rule change - averted the showdown by joining five other Republicans and seven Democrats in a bipartisan deal to block both the rule change and additional filibusters except in "extraordinary circumstances."

The group, which has become known as the Gang of 14, left the definition of "extraordinary" to each of its members.

On Sunday, Mr. Graham made clear that he would oppose filibusters of Judge Alito. The president campaigned on a promise to appoint conservatives to the court, and "you're going to get a strong conservative," Mr. Graham said in an interview on the CBS program "Face the Nation."

The Republicans have a majority of 55 senators. If three or more Democrats break from the group to support a filibuster, Mr. Graham and Mr. DeWine could give the Republicans enough votes to force the rule change.

Christine Hauser reported from New York for this article and David D. Kirkpatrick from Washington.

_________________
"who believe any mess they read up on a message board"
--mf doom


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:44 pm 
Offline
frostingspoon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:35 am
Posts: 14323
Location: cincy
Wasn't Alito the bad guy in one of the Karate Kid movies?


Back to top
 Profile WWW 
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:39 pm 
Offline
"Weddings, Parties, Anything…"
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:27 pm
Posts: 996
Location: Issaquah, WA
lol, Gary Bauer says that Aito is a "mainstream conservative" - lol, Jerry Fallwell could be considered a "Mainstream Conservative" in comparison to Gary Bauer.

_________________
"'Cos if I had some time
I'd use it this time
Escape to something beautiful
'Cos underneath the steel and rust and oil and shit
There's chrome just shining chrome"


Back to top
 Profile YIM 
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:54 pm 
Offline
Post-Breakup Solo Project
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:04 pm
Posts: 3347
Location: Balls Deep
Reason #398504780 to be thankful I got that vasectomy a few years back.


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:57 pm 
Offline
Failed Reunion
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:28 pm
Posts: 4271
^^^ hahahahhaa....

it does appear that roe would be toast.


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:10 pm 
Offline
Winona Ryder wears my t-shirt on TV

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:10 pm
Posts: 2532
Location: Cleveland, OH
Image


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:20 pm 
Offline
"Weddings, Parties, Anything…"

Joined: Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:50 pm
Posts: 853
Location: lawrencekansas
the fate of roe remains to be seen, nobody is really sure how roberts would rule. he seems to have a lot more respect for precedent than scalia or thomas.
but this is all assuming that alito gets confirmed, which is far from a done deal. i sincerely doubt any dems are going to peel off to support a judge who so clearly wants to overturn roe (and has a crappy record on race, defendant's rights, etc.), meaning the republicans will lack the votes to break the likely filibuster. this means the only option is to go nuclear, which didn't fly so well the first time around. two of the republican members of the "gang of 14" have indicated they would go nuclear if the democrats filibuster. if they can hold the other five republicans (and peel off two other pro-choice republicans facing tough reelection battles next year) that leaves the gop one vote short of a rule change. those are all big "ifs" to be sure, but i think the dems have a real shot of sinking this nomination--judicial nominations are the one area where they show traces of a vestigal spine.
but on the plus side, if confirmed, the court will finally, with two justices, reflect america's strong italian ultra-conservative constituency.

_________________
"who believe any mess they read up on a message board"
--mf doom


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:47 pm 
Offline
Whiskey Tango
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:08 pm
Posts: 21753
Location: REDLANDS
McCain said on Imus this morning that the "gang" will be meeting this week even before the Judiciary Cmte meets to start working this bastard out.

Roberts will not vote to overturn Roe IMHO because he believes too much in judicial precedent etc.

This Alito android is a whole 'nother beast altogether. To be honest, I'm more worried about the erosion of personal privacy laws than overturning Roe. There will always be states that allow it legally and I would fancy to guess that most doctors could point you in the direction to get a safe, medical, scrape if you need it.

But the Bush administration is against activist judges who legislate from the bench so let's just move on and let this guy on the Court with no hearings at all.

_________________
"To keep you is no benefit. To destroy you is no loss."


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:08 pm 
Offline
KILLFILED

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:14 pm
Posts: 15027
Location: There n' here.
Yail Blood Wrote:
But the Bush administration is against activist judges who legislate from the bench so let's just move on and let this guy on the Court with no hearings at all.


Did you get a job on Harry Reid's staff, or what?


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:14 pm 
Offline
Whiskey Tango
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:08 pm
Posts: 21753
Location: REDLANDS
SergeiMayflowerBubkompact Wrote:
Yail Blood Wrote:
But the Bush administration is against activist judges who legislate from the bench so let's just move on and let this guy on the Court with no hearings at all.


Did you get a job on Harry Reid's staff, or what?


Hey, I get my talking points memo every morning just like Rush, Sean and the rest. I just chose to draw mustaches and then use it wipe my ass.

_________________
"To keep you is no benefit. To destroy you is no loss."


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:45 pm 
Offline
A True Aristocrat of Freedom

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:46 am
Posts: 22121
Location: a worn-out debauchee and drivelling sot
Yail Blood Wrote:
scrape



Mommy, what's a gegortion?

I think the answer to this, and most political questions these days is found at www.whothefuckreallycares.com

_________________
Throughout his life, from childhood until death, he was beset by severe swings of mood. His depressions frequently encouraged, and were exacerbated by, his various vices. His character mixed a superficial Enlightenment sensibility for reason and taste with a genuine and somewhat Romantic love of the sublime and a propensity for occasionally puerile whimsy.
harry Wrote:
I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

FT Wrote:
LooGAR (the straw that stirs the drink)


Back to top
 Profile WWW 
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:36 pm 
Offline
Go Platinum
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:40 pm
Posts: 5289
Location: Jacksonville, FL
The name sounds like a new snack food from Frito-Lay.


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:38 pm 
Offline
frostingspoon

Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:36 pm
Posts: 10198
SenatorLooGAR's #9 Scream Wrote:
Yail Blood Wrote:
scrape



Mommy, what's a gegortion?

I think the answer to this, and most political questions these days is found at www.whothefuckreallycares.com


i excitedly clicked the link.

_________________
http://www.cdbaby.com/fishstick2


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:48 pm 
Offline
Post-Breakup Solo Project
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:05 pm
Posts: 3326
Location: boston
the thing about the whole reproductive rights thing is that there's another case that was ruled on in '92, casey, that from what i was told by someone in whose legal opinion i put a lot of stock in, may be the precedent used to rule on an abortion case--not roe.

_________________
"we're just slight clever, pants-wearing primates"


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:53 pm 
Offline
KILLFILED

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:14 pm
Posts: 15027
Location: There n' here.
ten dismembered digits Wrote:
The name sounds like a new snack food from Frito-Lay.


Image


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:56 pm 
Offline
frostingspoon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:50 pm
Posts: 15260
Location: Raised on bread and bologna.
neuroboy Wrote:
the thing about the whole reproductive rights thing is that there's another case that was ruled on in '92, casey, that from what i was told by someone in whose legal opinion i put a lot of stock in, may be the precedent used to rule on an abortion case--not roe.


Alito dissented in Casey on the basis of a woman getting an abortion without informing her husband.

In Planned Parenthood v. Farmer he wrote an opinion outlawing New Jersey's abolition of partial birth abortion because it did not include a clause regarding the health of the mother, citing Stenberg v. Carhart, which had very recently been decided by SCOTUS, as the compelling reason.

_________________
A poet and philosopher, Mr. Marcus is married and is a proud parent.


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:47 pm 
Offline
Post-Breakup Solo Project
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:05 pm
Posts: 3326
Location: boston
Elvis Fu Wrote:
neuroboy Wrote:
the thing about the whole reproductive rights thing is that there's another case that was ruled on in '92, casey, that from what i was told by someone in whose legal opinion i put a lot of stock in, may be the precedent used to rule on an abortion case--not roe.


Alito dissented in Casey on the basis of a woman getting an abortion without informing her husband.

In Planned Parenthood v. Farmer he wrote an opinion outlawing New Jersey's abolition of partial birth abortion because it did not include a clause regarding the health of the mother, citing Stenberg v. Carhart, which had very recently been decided by SCOTUS, as the compelling reason.


interesting. so what's your opinion of his rulings as it pertains to predicting his approach to if he's confirmed?

_________________
"we're just slight clever, pants-wearing primates"


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:02 pm 
Offline
Alcoholic National Treasure

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:12 pm
Posts: 17155
strip searches for everyone! he don't need no goddamned warrant.

_________________
Are you kidding? I have no talents. Nothing. I was very well educated to be an idiot. And I was a very good student.


Back to top
 Profile WWW 
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:07 pm 
Offline
frostingspoon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:50 pm
Posts: 15260
Location: Raised on bread and bologna.
neuroboy Wrote:
Elvis Fu Wrote:
neuroboy Wrote:
the thing about the whole reproductive rights thing is that there's another case that was ruled on in '92, casey, that from what i was told by someone in whose legal opinion i put a lot of stock in, may be the precedent used to rule on an abortion case--not roe.


Alito dissented in Casey on the basis of a woman getting an abortion without informing her husband.

In Planned Parenthood v. Farmer he wrote an opinion outlawing New Jersey's abolition of partial birth abortion because it did not include a clause regarding the health of the mother, citing Stenberg v. Carhart, which had very recently been decided by SCOTUS, as the compelling reason.


interesting. so what's your opinion of his rulings as it pertains to predicting his approach to if he's confirmed?


I have no idea yet. I'll be the last person to declare any in-depth knowledge of judicial candidates for SCOTUS or about any other court. Reading a lot of judicial opinion mumbo-jumbo can be either terrifically fascinating or excrutiatingly boring. Generally I tend to avoid it.

I just saw those two decisions earlier in the day and found them somewhat interesting. Of some other opinions he wrote that I had found, either in agreement or dissent, I agreed with more than half of them. I'll do a little more digging later and try to post a few links.

In the meantime, this bit with CBS News dude John Roberts is pretty damn funny:

CrooksAndLiars.com Wrote:
CBS White House correspondent John Roberts has apologized for saying this during today's gaggle time:

Roberts: "Scott, you said that- or the President said, repeatedly. that Harriet Miers was the best person for the job. So does that mean Alito is sloppy seconds, or what?

_________________
A poet and philosopher, Mr. Marcus is married and is a proud parent.


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:34 am 
Offline
Post-Breakup Solo Project
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:05 pm
Posts: 3326
Location: boston
for the class i took the professor editted the opinions to about 5-7 pages and having seen some monster ones that makes me very happy.

_________________
"we're just slight clever, pants-wearing primates"


Back to top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:30 pm 
Offline
British Press Hype
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:15 pm
Posts: 1451
Location: Philadelphia
Two good articles on Alito in the NY Times today. Actually seems like Bush could've done a lot worse. Doesn't seem to be a neo-con or have an agenda.

Discussion of his opinion in Casey

Nice Guy Article


Back to top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ] 

Board index : Music Talk : Rock/Pop


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Style by Midnight Phoenix & N.Design Studio
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.