I don't think punk was a backlash to '60s rock (like the Stones), but an attempt to return to it. It was a backlash against arena and prog rock, like Boston and Yes.

And Yail- did you start this thread just for a fight? You started it off saying you like the Clash and now seem to have taken the anti-Clash side.

I'm not denying anything. I love Keef, & I like the Stones. Just can't really make the connection, sound-wise. I can see what Dunwoody's sayin' though.

And I think Keef's beyond punk. He's in like, the "mutant" category or somethin' . lol.

He has a way of doing this

Says the guy who's insulting billy g in his sig for no reason at all.

Oh, I have started so many fucking arguments with Yail that we end up on the opposite sides of it would boggle your mind.

And I'm not so much insulting billg as I am giving Yail props. I love billy. I owe him some mixes.

Lighten up, gg.

I'm not saying there isn't an argument to make, I'm just saying TRY MAKING IT.

It gets annoying after awhile, when you georgia boys think the Rolling Stones are the answer to every question and don't even bother to make an argument for why its so.

Hell, I don't really buy into the Clash as a bunch of revolutionary punks. They were a great rock n'roll band first and foremost. Strummer was a great songwriter, but he was older than most of the punks and had his roots in pub rock which was alot of what the Pistols were rebelling against.

Just try making the argument rather than just proclaiming the Stones as the end all and be all of rock every once and awhile.

No problemo here, I like the sig. I don't remember bloor posting that though....maybe i missed it. And yes you do owe me those f'n mixes. You should take the time your saving from missing the truckers to make them.

I don't recall saying anything anti-Clash. I was just pointing out a few things. That doesn't affect how much I like the Clash.

I buy into the whole anti-corporate, change the world attitude of punk about as much as I buy into the "change the world" ethos of the '60's.

People start bands to rock out and get laid and hopefully get paid so they dont have to work regular jobs.

And I wasn't insulting billg so much as satirizing his record buying addiction; I actually read all those posts and have checked out some of the purchases on amg and the like.

This is correct. This is the torch. Glam, and the Eagles, and Led Zep-like bombast had left plaque in the beating auricle and ventricle of rock. Disco had effectively separated the races. There was a crisis, a disturbance in the Force... and punk was the Wahabi solution to the corruption of the increasingly dumbed down 70's.

Wait, you're billy g? Damnit, stop changing usernames everyone!

And Yail posted that in this very thread, but he didn't attribute the website to you.

Yeah, I put the website in there, 'cos he said you authored it

anything I need to throw in to sweeten the deal?

I like this phrase a lot.

Yeah, Harry's post is almost poetry...Poetry, Man, Poetry

Okay, now I understand everything. I didn't realize winston was billy g, so I thought he was just randomly insulting someone who wasn't even involved in the discussion.

You need to attribute that to Ray Manzarek (the true king of punk) immediately.

I was totally gonna post a Manzarek pic...

Further proof Derris is a genius.

... trawling in the early morning through Pere Lachaise, drunk still from the night before reinforced with a late November Beaujolais for breakfast, the clouds greying behind the black leafless limbs of the trees in the city of the dead, there was the bust, painted red, graffitti in twelve languages, this must be german for lizard... a cove of wanton hunger for life honoring the eternity of dead... I mean really, what the fuck, maybe the beating heart, plaque-laden or no, is the tom-tom sound of dead and dying Injuns... I mean really, what the fuck, this is all just one cosmic car accident on an empty highway anyway, right?

j/k

"The Doors have no bass, just like the gypsies have no home."

The moon laughs knowingly... the moon laughs... the moon... the.