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Yail Bloor
 Post subject: Pretty funny (and sorta true) Bill Simmons quote:
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The eventual outcome of perpetual parity IS perpetual putridity. For example, after the magical run of alternative and hip-hop music from 1991-1995, everyone was so worn out from quality music that we allowed one-word crappy bands like Creed and Live to become famous, as well as untalented rappers like Diddy and Ja Rule, eventually leading to the inexplicable boom in hacky pop music, boy bands and that metal rock miasma. Just watch the SNL reruns from the bulk of the Will Ferrell era -- it's a musical apocalypse.

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the death of biggie and pac is what paved the way for Ja Rule and Diddy.

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the death of biggie and pac is what paved the way for Ja Rule and Diddy.


also saved them from doing the inevitable TERRIBLE albums.

Discuss.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
jewels santana Wrote:
the death of biggie and pac is what paved the way for Ja Rule and Diddy.


also saved them from doing the inevitable TERRIBLE albums.

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very very possible.

but people felt bad about puffy losing a friend, so they bought his crappy album where he talked about it.

and Ja Rule was 9th rate Pac.

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fair enough, but how does one explain the suckitude of Master P. (the exact moment, BTW when I took a major hiphop hiatus)

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Things are cyclical. Quality goes up for a while, then we get stuck with matchbox 20 for a while. Up and down. No more mystery to it than that.

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Is it that 91-95 was more magical or was it just that there were more good artists getting mainstream exposure?

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Is it that 91-95 was more magical or was it just that there were more good artists getting mainstream exposure?


people forget that "all i wanna do is zooma zoom zoom zoom" was on the radio every five seconds.

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I think maybe when a genre is newish, then the big studios haven't had a chance to formulate and promote canned winners in those genres yet. So the only people who "make it big" within them are the real deal, more or less. Then a few years go by, and commerce takes its course.

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I think maybe when a genre is newish, then the big studios haven't had a chance to formulate and promote canned winners in those genres yet. So the only people who "make it big" within them are the real deal, more or less. Then a few years go by, and commerce takes its course.


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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
I think maybe when a genre is newish, then the big studios haven't had a chance to formulate and promote canned winners in those genres yet. So the only people who "make it big" within them are the real deal, more or less. Then a few years go by, and commerce takes its course.


i would agree, but rap got popular with really silly poppy songs before the quality bubbled to the top.

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jewels santana Wrote:
Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
I think maybe when a genre is newish, then the big studios haven't had a chance to formulate and promote canned winners in those genres yet. So the only people who "make it big" within them are the real deal, more or less. Then a few years go by, and commerce takes its course.


i would agree, but rap got popular with really silly poppy songs before the quality bubbled to the top.


I attribute this to the technology curve inherent to rap. It used new tools, pretty much nothing handed down. So as tools got better, we got better beats, better sound, more experimentation within the format, etc. Then things got good.

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side note: i think a very young Pharell produced "rump shaker"

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:

I attribute this to the technology curve inherent to rap. It used new tools, pretty much nothing handed down. So as tools got better, we got better beats, better sound, more experimentation within the format, etc. Then things got good.


How far in are talking here? Public Enemy or earlier? I mean the early Rubin produced shit is dope and all but its not especially complicated. That first PE album broke a lot of grounfd in the multilayered sound aspect of hip hop, right?

Actually though, there's some GrandMaster Flash shit that is pretty dense as well.

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the SP 1200 was a big leap for hip hop production.
i believe it helped sculpt the Primier and DITC sound.

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side note: i think a very young Pharell produced "rump shaker"


i think he just helped write it and teddy riley produced it.

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Heh, Teddy Riley is awesome. :banana:
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Master P is awesome.

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