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this is pretty good review for my Information Society final.


I wish we were arguing the finer points of Economic Order Quantity and RFID. Final on such in t-minus 26 mins.


RFID = Radio Frequency Identification?


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what's the one have to do with the other?


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This all boils down to having nothing to worry about, if you got nothing to hide ;)


so you wouldnt mind if the cops come to your house and look around every now and then?

the founders sure did.


helloo....winky??


hard to interpret those symbols. and on the founders growing pot - the sure got a lot done for a bunch of stoners. i hear jefferson was a mean hackey-sack player

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Both fall under the umbrella of an introductory course in Logistics.

RFID tags help move inventory faster (in theory), and knowing how to calculate an EOQ based on order costs, demand, transit times, etc, is "basic."

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ah. because in the context of "information society," rfid's would be a way to track student and employee activity and thereby impinge upon their privacy.


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rpartridgeinapeartree74 Wrote:
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This all boils down to having nothing to worry about, if you got nothing to hide ;)


so you wouldnt mind if the cops come to your house and look around every now and then?

the founders sure did.


I'd be willing to submit that they would have probable cause for such searches.

Edit: speaking to poking around Gar's abode, not my own.


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i've seen some pretty cool presentations here at work about RFID-type technology. one of our research labs is doing work on them - like putting them in paint so it monitors the temperature of every point in the room so heat can be delivered to only the places that need it...and putting it in to fields so farmers know exactly what areas need fertilizer, water, etc.

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this is pretty good review for my Information Society final.


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This all boils down to having nothing to worry about, if you got nothing to hide ;)


so you wouldnt mind if the cops come to your house and look around every now and then?

the founders sure did.


I'd be willing to submit that they would have probable cause for such searches.

Edit: speaking to poking around Gar's abode, not my own.


HA HA. I am a law abiding citizen, who may or may not own one too many Faces albums as to arise the hackles of the gummint.

Thankfully, I have no abode for them to really search. Unfortunately, that leaves my car, which is much easier to get PC to search (I DO know about this one)

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ah. because in the context of "information society," rfid's would be a way to track student and employee activity and thereby impinge upon their privacy.


Generally, those tags are only going to be on consumer goods, and many of them (early on at least) won't make it to the shelves. There are also a ton of hiccups. Costs are high, payoff is low, and walmart can only force so many people to adopt it. It'll catch, I think, but it's not a shoe-in.

They also are usually short range, so to monitor a grad student with a tag on her backpack, you'd have to have receivers all the way down the halls... pricey.

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car - yeah -there are alot of probable cause exceptions related to just being in a car.

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well, mostly as a way of seeing when people enter/leave buildings (see if your employees are coming in on time, going to the bathroom too much, etc.)

i think there's also concern about the eventual use of these in state ids.


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rpartridgeinapeartree74 Wrote:
i've seen some pretty cool presentations here at work about RFID-type technology. one of our research labs is doing work on them - like putting them in paint so it monitors the temperature of every point in the room so heat can be delivered to only the places that need it...and putting it in to fields so farmers know exactly what areas need fertilizer, water, etc.


Food vendors like that idea, too, because truckers have been lying about refridgerated shipments, shutting down the a/c on beer/food hauls to save gas $. Then the beer spoils quicker, company gets blamed, etc. If the boxes can talk, doesn't happen.

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well, mostly as a way of seeing when people enter/leave buildings (see if your employees are coming in on time, going to the bathroom too much, etc.)

i think there's also concern about the eventual use of these in state ids.


I have noticed this come up in some discussions. So far, people seem to want to do the right thing, and limit it to goods shipments. Anything else is a harder sell. I can justify it for pallets full of kleenex. I can't for state id's, neccessarily.

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yeah, it's clearly not an objectively evil technology.


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It's also very closely watched. I think we'll be ok.

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Peaceful. That's the line. What investigating QUAKERS has to do with protecting anything, I don't know.


Nixon was a Quaker.


Nominally.

I just caught that in a report of a study indicating that while forty-nine percent of respondents would be unlikely to vote for a candidate whose positions they support if s/he were a Muslim, seventy-five percent of respondents would be unlikely to vote for same candidate if s/he were an atheist.

(This was a U.S. survey.)


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Benjamin Franklin, I believe, Wrote:
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security.


The essential liberties, as Franklin saw them, are those written into the Constitution. Please point out the one that this database violates.

I'll give you a few options:
* Freedom of speech (for the record, this is really "freedom to protected speech - i.e. not speech which constitutes a communications tort, treason, etc. - without the government actually stopping you")
* Freedom from unlawful search and seizure (remembering, as I said, that personal information - particularly that which you make publicly known - is not property within the meaning of the law, and never has been)
* Right to privacy (only covers abortions and anal sex so far)


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Pretty clearly violates right to privacy -- I'm not understanding how you can only apply that to anal sex &&/|| abortions.

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I don't think this violates any constitutional rights as much as I find it abhorrent.

As a sidenote, I never realized that Ben Franklin considered anal sex to be an essential liberty.


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I never realized that Ben Franklin considered anal sex to be an essential liberty.


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I never realized that Ben Franklin considered anal sex to be an essential liberty.


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