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what the fuck do you want them to sound like, ELO? jesus christ, they're a down and dirty rock band. it's real simple. there's plenty of variation though. maybe you're just not picking it out.


But why is a "down and dirty rock band" such a celebration in music? Look, I'm not attacking anyone who likes the band, I just want more of a reasoning. When the band is mentioned in the same breath with legendary bands/albums or with such vigor as it has been, and then the album(s) are merely average (once again in my estimation), then I wonder, what the heck am I missing? Why didn't many of you like the Bloc Party album or the Louis XIV albums? Again, one could argue they are bands not reaching their full on potentials but had decent to ok albums. Definitely nothing original nor awe-inspiring to a certain extent. So what makes the Strokes, and to a degree this new album such a revelatory statement. Come on sell me on this thing! Give me a reason to thirst over buying it. Make me see the error!


Well in my opinion the Strokes were the first band who made any real honest attempt to change the sound of mainstream (not indie) rock away from the 90's "grunge" or "pop punk" sound. Those other bands you mentioned are following in their wake. If NME would have never hyped these guys and they signed to an indie label, I think people would have creamed themselves over the last two albums.

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I think the Strokes are a pop band pure and simple. If I were to mention them with the likes of the VU or the Stones or Television (which I don't, because it's fucking stupid), it would be only for the fact that they make good rock music for the sake of it. The singer has his own voice, the guitarists play like themselves, and the songs are well-written and well-played. That's it. If The Strokes are remarkable for anything, it's that they are a rock band in the full sense of the phrase. They are a sound, a look, and an attitude, and I really dig that despite the artificiality of some of it. If they should be compared to anybody, it's the New York Dolls, another band that didn't have anything particularly special going on musically yet carried themselves on attitude. You know, testicular fortitude, gut rock and roll. Or, if you prefer, Jail. I really like the new album, more than Room On Fire, but not quite as much as Is This It?.

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I remember when I put on last nite at a party last year and everyone that was dancing stopped and got angry. i switched to something else after like 30 seconds.


Wait. You were at a party?


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Any band that can steal a lick from Manilow and make it sound great is alright in my book. Why does everything that someone likes have to be groundbreaking? It's good music that I enjoy. Period.

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I have the feeling that in 10 to 15 years, everyone will be talking about how the 2nd and 3rd Strokes album were underappreciated by critics and fans alike in the 00's. I think these albums are on the Exile plan.


I know I can;t think of many albums from this era that stack up, to be sure.

Cotton -- if you think this stuff is BORING, I would love to know what you do/listen to for excitement. This is JAIL ROCK non-pareil


There's a lot of people on here that I share a lot of similarities and/or tastes with that are rock hard for The Strokes, but they are completely lost on me. I'm also gonna own up to the fact that I've never completed an entire Strokes album, despite that when I heard "Last Nite" I was pretty damn impressed and eager to hear more. Next I heard "New York City Cops". I had very little initiative to go out and buy the album after that, so I downloaded a few tracks and coughed them up to be a flash in the pan.

I turned off the new one after a few songs. Bored me to tears. My first problem is probably the vocals. There's no sense of urgency or real excitement there. Nothing that compels me to listen. I'm not saying you have to want to change the world with every song, but they don't seem to have anything to say. Bob Dylan, Kris Kristofferson and Neil Young do not have award winning vocal chords by any means, but when they open up, I want to listen.

The music itself isn't bad, just nothing that begs me to turn it up loud and piss off the neighbors. Not to single out Dalen, but his label of "down and dirty rock music" is usually exactly what I'm looking for, but I don't feel it with this band. Ike Reilly teabags these guys.

I know a certain amount of rock and roll, especially good rock and roll is showmanship and roleplaying, but these guys just seem to put on. There's a Jesse Camp factor I can't get around. It's not really all that important, but when the music isn't all that engaging, I start to wonder just how contrived it is. Either way, contrived or not, I still think it's just boring. And this is supposed to be right up my alley.

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Any band that can steal a lick from Manilow and make it sound great is alright in my book. Why does everything that someone likes have to be groundbreaking? It's good music that I enjoy. Period.


Because dude, when you go out and get "found sounds" and then layer lush strings over a nasal whine, and maybe have a DJ scratch it all together..that's music...nay, its POETRY, MAN, POETRY!!

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There's a Jesse Camp factor I can't get around.


Haha. Awesome.

I think The Strokes are a pretty good band, but comparing them to The Rolling Stones, The VU, or even the NY Dolls is BULLSHIT.

I generally agree with people who call them boring although I played the hell out of the first album. Regardless of their immediate impact on the indie/mainstream cusp scene, I don't really think there's anything at all about them to give them any more historical importance than the bands at the first wave of grunge. Even that might be a little much, though, as bands like The White Stripes were around doing a similar thing - but with more balls, energy, and creativity - years before The Strokes were. Those bands rode The Strokes coattails into popularity, but that's a completely different thing than copying them or really being "followers". In that sense, I think The Strokes really are a lot like Pearl Jam. Sure, there are bands copying them, but they are pretty much all shit.


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Just bought it this evening. I got duped into buying the limited edition version for $5 more but I don't see anything really special about it aside from the packaging.


i purchased the limited edition as well. i love the design of the lyric booklet, especially the pages for "Ask Me Anything".


I'm not sure how I feel about the 'Razorblade' page yet, though.


seedy, and hot. :wink:


That was the first reaction.

The second was "well, i don't know...".

But then the third was :wanker:.

So I'm up in the air at this point.



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I remember when I put on last nite at a party last year and everyone that was dancing stopped and got angry. i switched to something else after like 30 seconds.


Wait. You were at a party?


yeah, your mom's 'milf hunter 23' betamax release party.

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I remember when I put on last nite at a party last year and everyone that was dancing stopped and got angry. i switched to something else after like 30 seconds.


Wait. You were at a party?


yeah, your mom's 'milf hunter 23' betamax release party.


Your fucking P.O. turned it off, cos the little girls didn't want to play musical chairs to that, and you aren't allowed 1000 feet from anyone under 18.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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What Busty couldn't reply and had to get his big sister to do it for him?

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What Busty couldn't reply and had to get his big sister to do it for him?


Unlike the rest of us, Busty is doing something interesting. Newman.

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Ooooh, Newman. That never gets old.

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Ooooh, Newman. That never gets old.


agreed. I invented that shiv-diss and havent used it myself in probly six months.

not that I'm surprised that people can't come up with their own material or anything.

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Funny thread.

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First I was confused and excited.

Now I am sad and disappointed.

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wait, so they don't have a new album out now?



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I searched to see if there were any new threads on new Strokes and this was definitely the most amusing and kind of links up with that best of the 2000s thread. Also the idea that they might sound a bit like Thin Lizzy is cool, but I'm betting Pride Tiger still do it better.

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For the first time in ages, the Strokes are back in New York, hard at work on album number four in their midtown studio. "We have three songs," Julian Casablancas tells the S.S., three weeks into the sessions. "I would say it's going great. We have a lot of work to do, though."

It's been more than three years since First Impressions of Earth, and what's helping the process is good vibes and honesty. "It feels like we're new," says Casablancas. "We didn't used to be honest — there would always be minifeuds over stupid shit. Now, if Nick [Valensi] and Fab [Moretti] or anyone are saying they like it fast or slow, we'll talk about it, as opposed to saying, 'Well, I never liked you sister.'"

Casablancas says that they've resisted jamming on old tunes; instead they're forging ahead. "Some of the new stuff has a Seventies vibe, like Thin Lizzy or Elvis Costello," he says. "But then some of it is bizarre music from the future that we're trying to tone down to sound catchy. So we're trapped between the future and the Seventies."


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Thin Lizzy and Elvis Costello are worlds apart. And the future IS the seventies.


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I'm scared to read whatever I wrote in this thread.

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No kidding.

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Yeah, this is mildly amusing,


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I saw that in RS and was nearly arrested in the BWI bathroom ;)

It probably means more straight ahead riffs and understandable/intelligible lyrics?

I dunno and I don't care, just get this bugger on some blog so I can scoop it up and ruin my kid's life in infancy.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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I dunno and I don't care, just get this bugger on some blog so I can scoop it up and ruin my kid's life in infancy.


with only three songs done, lil' loog is probably gonna be walking by the time this comes out.

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I have the feeling that in 10 to 15 years, everyone will be talking about how the 2nd and 3rd Strokes album were underappreciated by critics and fans alike in the 00's. I think these albums are on the Exile plan.


What?!?!?! Quite the bold statement.

My god, the Strokes love is strong on this board. At first I thought it was a joke, then not, then again a joke, then not, and now I am beginning to just hope its a joke. Seriously, if you like them, then whatever but the statements coming from people on the grandiose nature of this and all the rest of their albums. Maybe I'm missing out which could very well be the answer, but I just don't get why people are so head over heals with them. To me, none of their material evoked any type of response as to that they were bound for greatness.


I think rock is stuck in it's own limitations. I think most people have grown sick of bands with no ambitions other than holding on to their own small safe indie audience. But as soon as a band has ambition and states it, they're punished for it. Given time I think these records will reveal themselves away from the hoopla, and I think they'll prove themselves very influential. That's not to say one can not honestly dislike the Strokes right now.


I still agree with everything I said here. Big up myself.

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