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 Post subject: OMFG - SST has finally landed on Emusic
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:17 am 
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I've been waiting for SST to show up since 1999!

Definitely renewing my subscription now!

Sorry timmyjoe, they wouldn't let me use a referral on a renewal. :(

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who is sst?

no problem. did they still give you 50 free again?


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I might have to renew now as well. Bout damn time.

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timmyjoe42 Wrote:
who is sst?


Only the bested record label ever, that's who! Minutemen, Meat Puppets, Husker Du, Black Flag!


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timmyjoe42 Wrote:
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no problem. did they still give you 50 free again?


Probably not. You can always use a different email address to rejoin and get the 50. I did this but kind of regret it now. I think if you renew instead you can re-download anything you downloaded as a member. Since the life of cd-rs isn't that long, that's probably worth more than the 50 free downloads.

Edit: I don't think SST has uploaded much yet though have they? I don't think the Minutemen are very emusic friendly either (lots of short songs packed on albums). You're probably a lot better off buying a real copy of Double Nickels for example than using 40+ downloads on it. I was more impressed that Stiff Records was a recent label addition.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:22 pm 
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billy g, couldn't you just rejoin with your old account again for 1 month and then download like mad, and then go back toyour current account?


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Apparently the eMusic exclusive is only a couple weeks long...SST stuff will be on the other services soon.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:36 pm 
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billy g Wrote:
You can always use a different email address to rejoin and get the 50. I did this but kind of regret it now. I think if you renew instead you can re-download anything you downloaded as a member. Since the life of cd-rs isn't that long, that's probably worth more than the 50 free downloads.


Yeah, thats why I didn't give them a new address. I've got tons of downloads from the all-you-can-eat period that I don't want to lose my access to. Interestingly though, I was going through them, and there are a number of labels that are no longer available, so I can't download them. Not many, but a few.

billy g Wrote:
Edit: I don't think SST has uploaded much yet though have they? I don't think the Minutemen are very emusic friendly either (lots of short songs packed on albums). You're probably a lot better off buying a real copy of Double Nickels for example than using 40+ downloads on it. I was more impressed that Stiff Records was a recent label addition.


It looks like SST just got onboard in the past week or so, so there's only 3 or 4 albums up.

Absolutely agree on the Minutemen, that's a CD I already have though. I'm hoping to see more of their obscure stuff, actually. There are two collections I'm looking for in particular--'7-inch wonders of the world' and 'No Age'. It'd be fun to see their 'Blasting Concept' series up as well.

They do have 'I against I' up by the Bad Brains....which is simply one of the greatest, most rockin', albums ever! :rawk:

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I will have to check these out.


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timmyjoe42 Wrote:
billy g, couldn't you just rejoin with your old account again for 1 month and then download like mad, and then go back toyour current account?


There's not a whole lot I want to redownload. Just a few cdrs that have gone bad. I'm sure its going to happen to more of them but probably not enough to motivate me to rejoin with the old account now that I've had the new account for almost a year.


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billy g Wrote:
I don't think the Minutemen are very emusic friendly either (lots of short songs packed on albums). You're probably a lot better off buying a real copy of Double Nickels for example than using 40+ downloads on it. I was more impressed that Stiff Records was a recent label addition.


Downloading 40 tracks on eMusic is still cheaper than on Napster or iTunes, and depending on whether you use booster packs or your monthly downloads is probably still cheaper than buying the actual disc.


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billy g Wrote:
I don't think the Minutemen are very emusic friendly either (lots of short songs packed on albums). You're probably a lot better off buying a real copy of Double Nickels for example than using 40+ downloads on it. I was more impressed that Stiff Records was a recent label addition.


Downloading 40 tracks on eMusic is still cheaper than on Napster or iTunes, and depending on whether you use booster packs or your monthly downloads is probably still cheaper than buying the actual disc.


This is purely an academic question because to my knowledge, Double Nickels is not available (yet) on emusic and I own it anyway. Still, I have the 65 download/month plan which rounds to $0.24/song. At 43 songs, Double Nickels would cost $9.92 to download. There's a good chance you could find it used for less. Even if you couldn't, that's too much to pay for an mp3 version of an album unless its out of print or hard to find.

Above $5 for an album, I begin to think I'd rather just buy it at full price and get the artwork, no degradation at all in sound quality and know that its not going to be burned to a cd-r that might go bad on me in a few years. Anything thats a priority for me, I'm just going to buy a real copy anyway. I'd rather use emusic to fill in the gaps with things I'm interested in or want but know I wouldn't get around to getting at full price anytime soon.

I'm not complaining about emusic's pricing formula because I take advantage of the price/song methodology to get lots of jazz for dirt cheap. Just sayin' -- they're not the way to go for albums with lots and lots of short songs.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:32 pm 
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Of course, we should mention that the money/length ratio is not necessarily the best critieria to use when evaluating music.

I'd rather pay 24 cents for History Lesson Part 2 than for [I'd insert a long song by some band I didn't like here (like Dave Mathews), but someone would get pissed at me, so I'm not, but you get the point] any day.

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do they have any Blast! up on emusic yet?


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Of course, we should mention that the money/length ratio is not necessarily the best critieria to use when evaluating music.

I'd rather pay 24 cents for History Lesson Part 2 than for [I'd insert a long song by some band I didn't like here (like Dave Mathews), but someone would get pissed at me, so I'm not, but you get the point] any day.
Fair point. However, when a 40-track album costs twice as much as a 20-track album regardless of album length or musical content, something is amiss. Maybe emusic has other pricing schemes then what billy has subscribed to, but outside that it just doesn't make sense.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:34 am 
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their other pricing scheme is you pay more for it.


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Check out what else is on eMusic now:

A ton of TV theme songs. Some of these would make good ringtones.

Edit: damn they are a philharmonic recreation of the theme songs. Only a few sound good. But Airwolf is AWESOME!


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a ton of more black flag and minutemen today, along with another bad brains

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timmyjoe42 Wrote:
their other pricing scheme is you pay more for it.

Right, but is there any album-level-pricing?


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timmyjoe42 Wrote:
their other pricing scheme is you pay more for it.


or less if you sign up for the 90 song/month plan. That's more than I need though.


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their other pricing scheme is you pay more for it.

Right, but is there any album-level-pricing?

Of course, if they had album level pricing, then people would be complaining because they were paying more for extended albums than they were for EP's. Maybe they could do something like one dl per song, or 10 dl's for an entire album to balance it all out.

I guess the thing I consider is that on the 90 song/month plan:
1 song costs (20.00/90) = .22
Double nickles has 43 tracks, so DNOTD costs 9.46 on emusic

On Amazon:
Double nickles on the dime is 14.99 (+ shipping)

So it is cheaper on Emusic. You do not have the flexibility and liner notes and are limited to the quality of the rip that emusic has chosen, but even so, this is not that bad a deal.

And it is about the worst case I can think of, outside of an entire CD full of sound effects.
But even then, you can counterbalance that with one hour in a brazilian ranforest for 22 cents.

And besides Sketchy, this is all moot for you as I remember buying you Double Nickles on the Dime a couple of years back, so you don't have to download it anyway. 8)

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[quote=="mugwump67"]people would be complaining because they were paying more for extended albums than they were for EP's.[/quote]
But aren't they paying more anyway since albums generally have more tracks than EPs?

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So it is cheaper on Emusic. You do not have the flexibility and liner notes and are limited to the quality of the rip that emusic has chosen, but even so, this is not that bad a deal.
Maybe not for one of your (and my) favorite albums, no. For a digital copy of an album you've heard about that you may or may not like, though?

Yeah the album = 10-?? downloads idea is a good one for these cases.


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Of course, if they had album level pricing, then people would be complaining because they were paying more for extended albums than they were for EP's.

Um...I meant the other way around. Doesn't quite make sense the way I said it.

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You mean that wouldn't people complain that extended albums cost the same as EPs? The answer is no... if you do it right. 'Album-level-pricing' doesn't have to equate to every release costing the same. You can price releases based on whatever criteria you choose (length, filesize, numbers of tracks up to 20, et al.) so that most EPs are appropriately priced compared to albums.


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