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Have you guys heard about this? Could this be why the last two Matrix movies sucked ass? Strange story anyway.... apparently WB execs are worried about how Larry/Lana is going to handle publicity with his new film, V is for Vendetta.

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Wachowski sex scandal behind Matrix suckage?

Posted Jan 13th 2006 5:01PM by Karina Longworth
Filed under: Sci-Fi & Fantasy, NSFW, Comic/Superhero/Geek, Remakes and Sequels
Everyone's talking about the new, loooong Rolling Stone expose of Larry Wachowski, one half of the creative duo behind Bound, The Matrix, and V for Vendetta. Much of its many thousands of words are dedicated to Larry's immersion, apparently ever-deeper since the first Matrix film made him a zillionaire, into the world of sex clubs, transvestitism, and sadomasochism. The article goes into detail into Larry's relationship with Mistress Ilsa Strix, a dominatrix who says her "greatest accomplishment" was "putting 333 needles into a single penis" (it is unclear if the penis in question belonged to the aforementioned filmmaker). Through Ms. Strix, Wachowski has apparently found an outlet through which to experiment with various fetishes, from cross-dressing to torture. None of which are inherently problematic – unless you're of the mind, as some of RS' Peter Wilkenson's sources are, that the latter two Matrix films owe their general suckage to Ilsa's influence.

Sources claim that the most garish and widely criticized elements of Reloaded and Revolutions – particularly the former's over-the-top rave scene – slipped through the Wachowskis' bullshit radar because Larry "was totally concentrating on Ilsa." What began as a professional master-slave relationship developed into more when Larry started flying Ilsa, first class, to Austrailia to "tend" to him on the set of the two sequels. "Larry would pick her up at the airport dressed as [Larry's female alter ego] 'Lana,'" says a source. "He would get depressed and moody when he had to go to the set dressed as a man." By the time the Cannes Film Festival rolled around, Ilsa and Larry were making appearances together as a couple, with Ilsa showing up on the red carpet looking movie-star beautiful – "perfect skin, blond hair falling to her shoulders, white teeth gleaming" – and Larry – "his eyebrows were plucked, he wore large teardrop earrings... his fingernails were manicured" – done up almost as glamourously. Rumors started to swirl that the 6-foot-3 working class boy from Chicago was preparing for sexual reassignment.

Was there any truth to the rumors? Wilkenson's investigation doesn't result in any clear-cut answers. The Wachowskis' friends are (probably smartly) not talking, and though the writer gets statements from many representatives from the LA BDSM community, one imagines at least a few of them have ulterior motives. In the years since the last Matrix sequel, the Wachowski camp has remained curiously silent, even as the brothers lurk behind the scenes of Vendetta, which they are said to be heavily involved in, although aren't directing. In bottom-line obsessed Hollywood, if and when Larry does emerge from exile and show his pretty face, will anyone let a little sex change stop them from letting him make them millions of dollars?

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Wachowski has apparently found an outlet through which to experiment with various fetishes


I read as...

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Wachowski has apparently found an omelet through which to experiment with various fetishes


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eh, i can't say i'm shocked by this. I'd bet it's a lot more common than we'd think, especially in the producer/director world where they're still making assloads of money and not usually trailed by the papparazzi.

but if that makes v for vendetta suck i'm gonna be pissed.

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i have heard this before. in fact, larry wachowski has/had a no-publicity clause in his contract with warner and it was rumored to be because he didn't want to be making appearances as a man and a woman, or something.


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Yeah, this is actually old news. He's shown up places in drag, and the dominatrix thing, if I'm not mistaken didn't that lead to his divorce? Weird guy yes.

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hmm, guess it's coming up in the news again due to the impending premiere for V for Vendetta.


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if I'm not mistaken didn't that lead to his divorce?

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According to the above, it led to both his divorce and the dominatrix's divorce.
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not THAT'S taking your work home with you

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The one on the FAR left, right?

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Oh, and someone has to say it:

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Addendum:

In itself. If the last two Matrix movies really are her fault, then yes, there is something wrong with that. But I suspect it's more along the lines of he got gold-fever, and lost his vision.

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i actually like the 2nd matrix movie.

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i actually like the 2nd matrix movie.


Including that stupid fucking church/orgy scene? You're kidding, right?

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Including that stupid fucking church/orgy scene? You're kidding, right?


that's the only thing I think I remember about that one.

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rparis74 Wrote:
i actually like the 2nd matrix movie.
If I hadn't seen the first one, I'd agree with you, but after the cutting edge brilliance of the first one, it just kind of belew.

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The only parts of the 2nd and 3rd Matrix films I liked were the action sequences.

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This must mean George Lucas has a nasty foot fetish.

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I guess for people our age, reporting like this doesn't really seem like a big deal because there are zero secrets these days. But still, reading this made me think, who the fuck is Rolling Stone to write this and let the whole world know about this guy's sex life?

Maybe if you're a politician, or I guess any public figure, who's constantly going on about morality this and morality that, and you get busted for cheating on your wife or having a gambling addiction, its' different. But this guy just makes movies....I don't know, doesn't seem right.

Maybe someone will start up a website that looks into the lives of Rolling Stone writers and editors and post stories about their sex lives.

Am I being a curmudgeon about this?


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Logan Wrote:
I guess for people our age, reporting like this doesn't really seem like a big deal because there are zero secrets these days. But still, reading this made me think, who the fuck is Rolling Stone to write this and let the whole world know about this guy's sex life?

Maybe if you're a politician, or I guess any public figure, who's constantly going on about morality this and morality that, and you get busted for cheating on your wife or having a gambling addiction, its' different. But this guy just makes movies....I don't know, doesn't seem right.

Maybe someone will start up a website that looks into the lives of Rolling Stone writers and editors and post stories about their sex lives.

Am I being a curmudgeon about this?


No, you're right. Never cool to fuck with another man's/woman's sex life. However it is kind of refreshing to figure out a possible reason for why those movies blew ass.

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The guy's a public figure, so he's fair game. He can try to be a recluse all he wants, but when you put a piece of art out there for mass public consumption there are lots of strings attched to being a rich celebrity.

I read the Rolling Stone article on Monday and no one's saying that him being into kink and transexualism in and of itself is a bad thing. Just that the guy's gone off the deep end, folded in on himself and let his art go to shit because of it.

Let's say his emotional baggage manifested itself through a horrible gambling problem or a drug problem and that's what caused his work to suffer. If a story came out about either of those, I doubt people would wring their hands the same way they are over this. Fact is, when you show up at a movie premiere dressed in drag with a high-profile dominatrix - and broken up two marriages in the process - that's gonna attract attention and make people wonder.

Even if Larry Wachowski considers this a horrible invasion of privacy, it also drums up interest in the brothers' new movie and given how badly they shit the bed on Matrix 2 & 3 there's no way that's a bad thing because it could help reinvigorate their career. There's no such thing as bad press; just ask James Frey.

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I don't get the connection. In what way did his sex life affect his work in films?

I'm with Logan. I couldn't care less about what he does to get off, and have to wonder about those who do.

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I don't get the connection. In what way did his sex life affect his work in films?

I'm with Logan. I couldn't care less about what he does to get off, and have to wonder about those who do.


I could care less also, but the point still stands that the sequels sucked ass. That would correlate with his lifestyle change/fetish/insanity.. pick your poision.


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So who is the Yoko in this? Lana or Ilsa?

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It's not the sex life, that's what I'm saying.

It's that whatever emotional/social issues he has - which in his case come out or are alleviated through the BDSM stuff - are at the root of what affected his work. Because he dove headlong into that scene, there's no balance to keep him focused in the real world and the art that made him noteworthy in the first place. Same thing would happen if because of his demon he became a compulsive gambler or did enough blow to put Scarface to shame.

In fact, I'd argue the sex is probably the least destructive way - at least health-wise - for him to act out and deal with whatever demons he has. It's just that he's lost most of his attachment to his working life. That's what's up for debate and scrutiny when you get right down to it.

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George Lucas is a good example of the fact that you don't need sex fetishes to develop the suck.

That said, sex can be one of those things that the more you get into, the more you need it (like drugs). Beyond a certain point, unreigned, it can become a distraction. Sounds like this was at least partially the case in Larry's case.

My question is, why didn't his brother throw the "bullshit" relay?

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this is too funny, I just finished watching the first and best matrix then got on obner only to see this thread...

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