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Having said that, the dude+dude action was VERY difficult to watch, and I openly turned my head a few times.


oh brother.
what dude + dude action?
there's been more homo kissing on will & grace than in this movie.

i'll tell you what was difficult to watch and that's when ennis flips alma over on her stomach after their passionate kissing. she didn't look too happy and seemed to be "putting up" with it.
now that's hard to watch.


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Having said that, the dude+dude action was VERY difficult to watch, and I openly turned my head a few times.


oh brother.
what dude + dude action?
there's been more homo kissing on will & grace than in this movie.

i'll tell you what was difficult to watch and that's when ennis flips alma over on her stomach after their passionate kissing. she didn't look too happy and seemed to be "putting up" with it.
now that's hard to watch.


Eh. Difficult in a different way. Emotionally painful, instead of fingernails-on-chalkboard painful. Hell, there were like 500 parts that were painful in one way or another.

Man I keep thinking I'm gonna set off some sort of alarms by admitting that I had trouble watching... am I ok, obner gay community?

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Again, no judgement...

No judgment meant toward you, either.

I'm very interested in how ingrained prejudices work--my own included. Brains are fascinating things.


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am I ok, obner gay community?

Postpixplzkthx in the Beard thread and I'll be your best friend.

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Again, no judgement...

No judgment meant toward you, either.

I'm very interested in how ingrained prejudices work--my own included. Brains are fascinating things.


Hit the nail on the head there, I think. I have zero objection to any and all that is "gay." Friends, neighbors, marriage, rights, benefits, public acceptance... and to be fair it goes beyond not objecting. I'm one of the good ones. But for some reason actually watching guys get phsyical is still something that I have trouble with. I make the same face as when I smell an open bottle of whiskey a little too closely.

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am I ok, obner gay community?

Postpixplzkthx in the Beard thread and I'll be your best friend.

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I am utterly un-beardable. The face of a 15-yr old lad, dispite being twice that.

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Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
Eh. Difficult in a different way. Emotionally painful, instead of fingernails-on-chalkboard painful. Hell, there were like 500 parts that were painful in one way or another.

i'm not sure what you mean.

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Man I keep thinking I'm gonna set off some sort of alarms by admitting that I had trouble watching... am I ok, obner gay community?


oh cap'n, everything's fine. it's just that i think people take a lot of stuff for granted. i, like many of my fellow homosexuals and youse heteros have been bombarded with images of heterosexual lust and love from the time we're born. it's everywhere, so when i hear people cringing or feeling uncomfortable about seeing same sex--particularly men--expressing affection or kissing i am just like, get over it mary.

i mean, really. we're not going back in. neoconservatism or not. especially now that huge corporations have found out exactly how much expendable cash we have. okay, so my cash isn't all that expendable but you get my drift.


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The face of a 15-yr old lad, dispite being twice that.


was that on your resume for the cabana boy 2006 position i posted?
hmmm...


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But for some reason actually watching guys get phsyical is still something that I have trouble with.

I'll confess one of my own little prejudices: Drag acts just make me feel embarrassed. Where, I wonder, does that prejudice come from?


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The face of a 15-yr old lad, dispite being twice that.

Twinks!! Ewwwww!!!


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Eh. Difficult in a different way. Emotionally painful, instead of fingernails-on-chalkboard painful. Hell, there were like 500 parts that were painful in one way or another.


i'm not sure what you mean.

This relates to my next comment...

Cap'n Squirrgle Wrote:
Man I keep thinking I'm gonna set off some sort of alarms by admitting that I had trouble watching... am I ok, obner gay community?


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oh cap'n, everything's fine. it's just that i think people take a lot of stuff for granted. i, like many of my fellow homosexuals and youse heteros have been bombarded with images of heterosexual lust and love from the time we're born. it's everywhere, so when i hear people cringing or feeling uncomfortable about seeing same sex--particularly men--expressing affection or kissing i am just like, get over it mary.

i mean, really. we're not going back in. neoconservatism or not. especially now that huge corporations have found out exactly how much expendable cash we have. okay, so my cash isn't all that expendable but you get my drift.


What I'm not expressing very well is that, as I'm in the theater next to my wife, kinda having to turn my head and not watch the juicy bits, it's not because I think what I'm seeing is WRONG. It doesn't even remotely feel wrong, with the "bad" connotation to it. More like vertigo, square pegs and round holes. Shit, I can't explain it. Maybe it's that I can't turn off the "picture yourself as one of the characters" fuction in my head.

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The face of a 15-yr old lad, dispite being twice that.


was that on your resume for the cabana boy 2006 position i posted?
hmmm...


I may have inadvertantly omitted it.

Dude, I would make a KICKASS cabana boy. Except I don't know shit about pool maintenance. But otherwise, I aim to please.

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I don't know shit about pool maintenance.


no one i hire ever does.

what makes me squirm is women drssing up like men in drag shows.
eewwwwww. icky.


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And let's not forget the Gimp and Ned "You got a purty mouth" Beatty.

Those are rape scenes; they should cause physical revulsion.


That was my point---sadly, I don't think they bother people as much as the scene in Brokeback.


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ayah Wrote:
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I don't know shit about pool maintenance.


no one i hire ever does.

what makes me squirm is women drssing up like men in drag shows.
eewwwwww. icky.


Ahem, as the "senior" member of the Obner Gay Community (OG-C), I must salute C n' S and his candor and willingness to explore what his reaction is to the movie.

So much of our reaction to any of this is socialized, mythologized at early ages... and reinforced over and over again by what is seen... by what is left unseen. I remember being very embarassed and uncomfortable when I saw Midnight Cowboy for the first time (another "gay cowboy" movie that many on this board would hate and never want to see given their response in this thread). In part because a taboo had been broken, a line crossed. I still totally have a problem with drag.. though less so as I age. I actually like women who look like men... here in Santa Cruz there are lot's of softball lesbians with taut bodies, baseball caps... really look like cute twinks.

Or more appropriately for this board of those who love rock, alternative music, and its history.... whatever gets you through the night, it's all right, it's all right. And the dark night of our soul in this millenium is long and cold...

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I remember being very embarassed and uncomfortable when I saw Midnight Cowboy for the first time (another "gay cowboy" movie that many on this board would hate and never want to see given their response in this thread).

Maybe I can make my point about Brokeback Mountain here: I have never had any desire to see Midnight Cowboy and didn't know until I read this that it had anything to do with "gay cowboys." I just had no interest in it, the little I've seen of it anywhere.

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I remember being very embarassed and uncomfortable when I saw Midnight Cowboy for the first time (another "gay cowboy" movie that many on this board would hate and never want to see given their response in this thread).

Maybe I can make my point about Brokeback Mountain here: I have never had any desire to see Midnight Cowboy and didn't know until I read this that it had anything to do with "gay cowboys." I just had no interest in it, the little I've seen of it anywhere.


I understand, and I don't fault your choices in any sense. And I can leave it alone as far as BB Mountain is concerned... but this response to Midnight Cowboy means that your life is more diminished than it need be. Midnight Cowboy is one of a handful of masterpieces of English language cinema of the last 50 years.. and Dustin Hoffman's performance is one of the greatest of all times... you could be walkin' here instead of stumbling.

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Man I keep thinking I'm gonna set off some sort of alarms by admitting that I had trouble watching... am I ok, obner gay community?


No. You're a total Fred Phelps wannabe-Fag Hater. :evil:

j/k. It's one thing not to want to see a film 'cause there's gay sex; it's another to take away my right to see Heath Ledget bang the fuck out of Donnie Darko. Frankly, the former's just your personal problem, and that's fine.

With that said, I have to laugh at people who say that they have to "turn their head" while watching any sort of gay affection in films....I mean, I'm gay and I sat through Saraband. :roll: Come on. Who wants some hot, crusty German-on-German action??? :twisted:

So....who decided to ressurect this thread again? This film seems like it's going to make a fuckload of money, especially come the Oscars, no matter how many people (or Focus On The Family tirades) object to it.

Relax. It's just a film. :roll:

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I'll confess one of my own little prejudices: Drag acts just make me feel embarrassed. Where, I wonder, does that prejudice come from?

Relax, Lump, that's not prejudice, that's good taste.




And for what it's worth, my interest in Brokeback Mountain is fairly minimal - but only because I place it in the same category as movies like, say, Tender Mercies and The Great Santini. That is, movies that I expect to be quite good (in that overly earnest, slow moving, character-study kinda way) but I know will bore the thud outta me.

(and Midnight Cowboy is definitely NOT one of those movies - it's one of the best of the best from Hollywood's golden moment in the '70s)


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I saw Midnight Cowboy after hearing Faith No More cover the theme song on Angel Dust. I really don't remember much of it but I don't think I was really put off by the subject matter.

As for Brokeback Mountain, I really don't have an interest in romantic movies anyways so I see no need to watch it.

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WASHINGTON - President Bush long has cultivated the swagger of a rancher, frequently donning cowboy boots and blue jeans to clear brush on his sprawling Texas property. But on Monday he was noncommittal, and even a bit nonplussed, when asked for his reaction to the most talked-about ranching film in years, ``Brokeback Mountain.''

``I haven't seen it,'' Bush told students and professors at Kansas State University, responding to a young man's question near the end of a lengthy, unscripted question-and-answer session. ``I'll be glad to talk about ranching, but I haven't seen the movie.''

``Brokeback Mountain'' is a controversial and critically acclaimed film featuring the love story of two gay ranch hands. This month, it won the Golden Globe award for best motion picture drama.

Through Sunday, ``Brokeback Mountain'' had earned $42.1 million and has been successful in the conservative towns and cities that helped re-elect Bush.

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The Great Santini. That is, movies that I expect to be quite good (in that overly earnest, slow moving, character-study kinda way) but I know will bore the thud outta me.



Your dad wasn't a pilot and you've never lived in the South....aside from the girl being really annoying this is an awesome movie.

To hear Cap and Busty call this pretty good get sme more interested. Not interested enough to go see it, but...

The "lush landscape" comment in FR' review makes me know that it will bore me to tears. I don't think Ang Lee is that good of a director, either, so some false Terence Malick shee ain't gonna drag my butt into the seats.

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WASHINGTON - President Bush long has cultivated the swagger of a rancher, frequently donning cowboy boots and blue jeans to clear brush on his sprawling Texas property. But on Monday he was noncommittal, and even a bit nonplussed, when asked for his reaction to the most talked-about ranching film in years, ``Brokeback Mountain.''

``I haven't seen it,'' Bush told students and professors at Kansas State University, responding to a young man's question near the end of a lengthy, unscripted question-and-answer session. ``I'll be glad to talk about ranching, but I haven't seen the movie.''

``Brokeback Mountain'' is a controversial and critically acclaimed film featuring the love story of two gay ranch hands. This month, it won the Golden Globe award for best motion picture drama.

Through Sunday, ``Brokeback Mountain'' had earned $42.1 million and has been successful in the conservative towns and cities that helped re-elect Bush.


There's a shocker.


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did anyone see the daily show cowboy interview last night about brokeback mountain? hilarious.

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Can we lighten things up a bit?
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/01/barebacktopgun.html

I have not seen the movie, but it looks intriguing. But it doesn't excite me enough to get me to pay $8 to see it. But then again, there's not too many movies out nowadays that do. I'll probably rent it on dvd or wait til it goes to the movie brewhouses around town.


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