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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:10 pm 
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It been a while since I've seen this thread plus I have some I'd like to clear up.

Cow Tipping... I'm pretty sure this is a myth. everytime I've seen a cow sleeping, not that I've seen alot but a few, it has was kind of laying down with it's leg underneath it, like a dog or cat would do. Plus a full grown cow is HEAVY like several hundred pounds, thousand plus for some.

The more interesting one I've heard involves the late Mr. Rogers of childrens TV fame. I heard he was a marine snipper, believeable, and the reason he wore that sweater is because he had sleaves (as in tattoo work covering the majority of his arms) Not exactly little kid friendly image.


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You mean "marine sniper" right? Cuz snippers are for cutting shit.

My vote is that cow tipping is factual, and Mr Rogers being anything close to a marine is not. The reason he wore the sweater is the same reason Haq does... "it's cold out there."

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By the way, latest stories here on cnn are about the army being "near a breaking point" in terms of recruits, etc. They're having to throw tons of money at people to enlist or re-up. You seen any of that stuff (articles, or $)?

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[quote="Bloor"]He's either done too much and should stay out of the economy, done too little because unemployment isn't 0%, is a dumb ingrate who wasn't ready for the job or a brilliant mastermind who has taken over all aspects of our lives and is transforming us into a Stalinist style penal economy where Christian Whites are fed into meat grinders. Very confusing[/quote]


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Just check it out on snopes.com and see whether or not it's valid.


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Even if the cow is awake, it's not like you couldn't shove it over. They ain't that swift.

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I can absolutely see Mr. Rogers castrating Marines.

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Nothing on Snopes, but here's the Wikipedia entry:

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Evidence that cow tipping is an urban myth

There is no evidence, aside from mostly unreliable eyewitness reports, that any cows have ever been tipped in this manner. In addition, there are a number of problems with typical accounts of cow tipping. Unlike horses, cows do not 'lock their legs' when they sleep. Cows lie down while sleeping [1]. Most of their sleep is very light and easily disturbed — typical of herd prey animals; they take only short naps at regular intervals throughout a 24 hour period, which means that at any given time, some members of the herd are aware and alert. The vision field of a cow is larger than that of a human, and they have acute senses of hearing and smell. Thus, cows are not easy to sneak up on. If startled, they quickly communicate to the rest of the herd that something is amiss.

Cows are large, and would be very difficult to tip, even for several people working together. A grown cow can be over 1.5 m (5 feet) high with a mass on the order of 540 kg (1,200 lb) all the way up to 900 kg (2,000 lb). By way of comparison, a typical sumo wrestler masses only 140 kg (310 lb). The four corners of a large "American-style" domestic refrigerator fairly closely approximate the spread of a cow's legs. If the refrigerator were cut down to 1.5 m (5 feet), filled with 400 kg (880 lb) of weights, and placed in a muddy field, tipping it would offer a comparable challenge to tipping a cow.

Variants of the legend claim that successfully tipping a cow will result in its death. Although cows can die if prevented from sitting upright for an extended period of time, briefly forcing a cow onto its back will not kill it. Under typical circumstances, a cow knocked onto its back would be able to restore itself to an upright position.

Other versions of the cow tipping story attempt to evade these objections by claiming, for example, that although cows lie down to dream, they can still doze while standing. Others appeal to a paper published by the University of British Columbia's Zoological Physics department, which calculates that, in certain circumstances, five people could topple a cow. Such a situation, however, would be highly unlikely, meaning they effectively debunked it as an urban legend. [2]

Finally, attempting to tip a cow is a patently dangerous activity. Despite the animal's reputation for being placid and slow-moving, a cow is easily capable of hurting someone when provoked or nervous; a herd of cows or a bull (easily mistaken for a cow in the dark) would be even more dangerous.
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Possibility that cow tipping may be achievable

The Times (London) of 8 November 2005, contains two letters on the subject, including one that appears to describe a method by which the task might be achievable by three people. This follows some earlier discussions on the subject in The Times (see reference under External Links, below).

A reader in Hawaii wrote:

"Cow tipping is possible, it is very simple and I've done it. It requires three people (note: be very quiet, but sobriety may be a hindrance), one person on one side of the cow, two on the other. The lone person pushes very hard on his side, and waiting for the balancing response from the startled animal, the other two then push very hard on their side to overbalance her. Works like a charm."

Another reader, a post-doc at Cambridge, suggested one person could slam a cow down with a running start: "I have calculated that an 80kg (175lb) person would only need to run at the cow at about 18km/h (12mph) in order to tip it."


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Maybe it was a fat horse.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Rogers#The_Sweatshirt_Rumor

I heard that too a while ago and thought it was one of those things that was quirky enough to be true. Unfortunately, it is not.

That's just Mr. Rogers, though. Who knows what tragic ghosts Mr. Dressup has hidden in his tickle trunk?


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You sure you weren't confusing Fred with Bob Keeshan (Capt. Kangaroo), who was a WWII era marine but never saw combat.


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I've heard a story about the legendary British boxing commentator Harry Carpenter which would be really cool if true.

Apparently Harry lost a leg during WWII and had it replaced with a false limb. Anyway one night at dinner with Cassius Clay, the heavyweight was flapping his lip in the motormouth fashion that he was reknown for.

He said to Harry something along the lines of 'All you Limeys are to soft to be good boxers!" and Harry said "Oh yeah?" and stuck his fork into his false leg. The soon to be Muhammed Ali, not knowing Harry had a false leg, immediately shut up and sat in stunned silence.

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Me and two friends tried to go cow tipping one time when we were 13.


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When I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean, I'd love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff.

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Why the hell would someone lie about tipping a cow?


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lego Wrote:
Why the hell would someone lie about tipping a cow?


I live in an area with many cows. Really, we just don't have anything better to do.

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