Nah. The temperate just don't make for good news stories.

This whole episode sort of sums up the current situation.

Western ignorance and complete disrespect of other cultures vs unjustified Islamic violence and an utter intolerance towards liberal values.

Yeah, in other words my dad vs. my sister's high school boyfriend.

Except, the images were not created nor broadcast/published under the jurisdiction of Islamic law.

I think this guy should be put to death for desecrating the image of Santa Claus.

Does anyone else think that the images look like they were heavily influenced by GROO, and Mad Magazine's Sergio whateverhisnamewas?

+1 cause I'm lazy.

Sergio Aragonés was the artists name.

And how exactly is this different than the American Christian fundamentalists who shoot doctors?

I think it was Freud who called religion "mankind's universal neurosis." Humans have seriously got to evolve beyond these simple-minded bullshit superstitions.

And anyone who believes in god and christ and all that shit and still manages to scoff at Islam needs to give his head a shake.

Agreed. Indiscriminate scoffing is the only path to world peace.

Oh, quite possibly because the Christ some of us believe doesn't do or advocate any of the things that the fundamentalists advocate?

Speaking of sketchy "news" sites, there's this one based in Boston called Mass News and they have this:




I always see like 3 of them flying around when I'm out delivering mail and every time I secretly hope they all crash into each other.

every muslim i know has a college degree. that's about all they have in common with each other.

you're saying that mohammed advocates this behavior? I would beg to differ. The koran does not say to do these things. just like the bible, people find different meanings in the same words. Most of the time it interpretation will be of most benefit to the interpretor.

In and of itself the Bible, the Koran and the teachings of Buddah are ways to live. isn't it up to us as individuals to determine the true meaning of their writings instead of blindly following what someone else says about the meaning?

I did not say that. I said fundamentalists advocate. Didn't say anything about the Koran.

During the time of The Crusades, it was Muslims who were the cultured and relatively peaceful peoples and the crusaders who were the rampaging zealots.

Strangely, its this apathy to all things right and sacred that make Christian and Muslim fundamentalists hate people like us.

i hate sigs in general but that suit is truly a masterpiece.

Agreed, right down to the belt buckle.

A boycott of an american corporation is radically different than hundreds of people of any particular faith torching embassies or even radically different than if those same catholics had torched everything pepsi...

And as for the Christians shooting doctors--i don't think that there is any possiblity of claiming that it was a direction decided upon by reading the Bible. The few instances of this were clearly people who are/were insane. The closest a group of fundamentalist Christians get to radical islam, on a large scale, would be the idea that God has given dominion to man-made government to wage offensive war based on their view of human rights, and evil (Pat Robertson saying we should assassinate the pres of Venezuala--or whoever it was, or Bush referrencing God in his decision to start a war in Iraq, etc). However, there is not a large faction of Christian fundamentalists that advocate killing abortion doctors or people who are generally accepted as innocent. It just doesn't exist. However, radical muslims all over the world are killing people that are not believers in Islam. And these actions are large-scale. They are not intermitent and rare like an abortion doctor shooting. Rather, they are daily and without discrimination.

For instance, I saw a picture once of Jesus on His knees bowing down and there was an american flag draped across his back. Now, as a Christian, that is extremely offensive. However, my inclination and the inclination of those who saw it was not to murder the person that made the photo, or torch the building that had placed the painting on their wall. In almost every single movie that Hollywood produces characters say Jesus, Christ, or goddamn. This is something that a majority of people within the Christian faith find offensive. However, there is not really a "penalty of death" clause in our religious practices for this type of behavior. Especially when it is done by someone or some people that have no affiliation or personal necessity to be respectful of the names which are used within the Christian religion.

All this to say that comparing the torching of embassies by hundreds of radical muslims globally to the actions of a group of self-proclaimed Christians that can be counted on one hand is a bit outlandish. There is a large difference between the two and to think that they are anywhere near similar, even in quantity, is a view of the world that I hope is not generally accepted.

how many of you actually know any Muslims?

I do, kinda. There was this one white emo guy I knew who converted from Christian to Muslim in college, but some how I don't think that he really counts

I can think of six I know. All nice, pleasant people except one guy who's kinda broody. I'm not exactly worried about him though. Another guy from Libya converted to Chrisitianity when he was living in Toronto and married a hippie lady. His mom doesn't like that much.

Yeah, I'm really suprised that there hasn't been more attention paid to the irony of all of this.

Its pretty sad, from what I can tell, nothing ruins a good religion more quickly than a bunch of extremist zealost. Why can't these people ever focus on the positive portions of thier holy works, rather than the 'kill all of whoever <is not like us/is enjoying life and not bothering anyone>' messages that they seem to consistently misinterpret.

I guess that if they weren't out there attacking people though, they wouldn't be considered religious zealouts anymore. So maybe its a matter of definition. I guess we should just kill all of them so the world could be a happier place.

The real life pictures of Muslims burning embassies are actually more disturbing caricatures than the fairly tame cartoons themselves.

Judging all muslims on issues like this is like judging all christians because a few attack abortion clinics

No muslim i know would act like this. Elvis Fu is right, its not that there arent moderates, it's that extremeists make for a better story - this works on both sides.

Thread title is either for baiting or showing off timmyjoe's stupidity.