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FT · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:52 pm

dnorwood Wrote:

FT® Wrote:

I liked Chris before I found out he is gay, and I still like Chris since finding out he is gay.

The only person about who my opinion changed upon learning of their homosexuality was my Dad, for obvious reasons. He's dead now, and I still love him, but it's still a very confusing and difficult to process situation. It would be a lot different to have been raised by openly gay parents, because I'd have known from the very beginning. But to not find out until well into my 30s, and for my Mom to have gone through more than three decades of marriage wthout knowing...that's really difficult. And he never really "came out," either. It started with us finding his stash of gay porn, then finding out about his trips to academic "conventions" to "collaborate" with "colleagues." It wasn't until his death that we finally managed to put all the pieces together, so I never had a chance to even really talk to him about it. I guess it doesn't change his relationship with me over the years, it just makes things a bit more ponderous in retrospect.

You know, this sounds less like you having a problem with your dad being gay, and more like you having a problem with your dad lying and manipulating.

Yeah, that's just about entirely the problem I have with it. Really, the only place gay enters into it is with respect to the fact that it's almost like I realistically should never have been born (if he had never been with a woman, etc.) and wondering how heredity factors into everything. I've always believed homosexuals are born that way, so what bearing (if any) might that have on me? I've never experienced any attraction to males or anything along those lines (not that there's anything wrong with that, of course), but it's just one of those things that makes you think.

My Mom thinks a lot of it has to do with the hormones he was put on for many years (he was a lifelong alcoholic who lived 20 years longer than the doctors originally expected his liver to last).

But yeah, it's the deception I have a problem with...mainly how it affected/affects my Mom. She's really the "victim" in all this, if there is one.

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:54 pm

ayah Wrote:

lol, i don't even read the football threads but i'm going to start.
gotta say that it's not like i want things to change around here. alls i'm saying is i'm tired of the complaints that "the gays" are expressing their poor taste/funny crap (known for the funny) and get called out for it.

we're all half assed morons for spending so much time here in the first place.

i'm done.
i need a fucking day off.

The thing that I really like about this place is that you can talk about whatever you want, and unless you go REEEEEAAAALLLLYYY far over the line (dropping the N bomb in a purely racist connotation) you pretty much get away with it.

Now, I know the ATLliens get blamed for a lot of the loss of what I will refer to as 'collegiality' around here, but in most instances it is good natured shit talking, and in the end, all of our difference DO make us a stronger community...god that sounded sappy

FT · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:58 pm

Senator Top Cat LooGAR Wrote:

ayah Wrote:

lol, i don't even read the football threads but i'm going to start.
gotta say that it's not like i want things to change around here. alls i'm saying is i'm tired of the complaints that "the gays" are expressing their poor taste/funny crap (known for the funny) and get called out for it.

we're all half assed morons for spending so much time here in the first place.

i'm done.
i need a fucking day off.

The thing that I really like about this place is that you can talk about whatever you want, and unless you go REEEEEAAAALLLLYYY far over the line (dropping the N bomb in a purely racist connotation) you pretty much get away with it.

Now, I know the ATLliens get blamed for a lot of the loss of what I will refer to as 'collegiality' around here, but in most instances it is good natured shit talking, and in the end, all of our difference DO make us a stronger community...god that sounded sappy

Shut up, Dad.

Senator LooGAR · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:05 pm

FT® Wrote:

Senator Top Cat LooGAR Wrote:

ayah Wrote:

lol, i don't even read the football threads but i'm going to start.
gotta say that it's not like i want things to change around here. alls i'm saying is i'm tired of the complaints that "the gays" are expressing their poor taste/funny crap (known for the funny) and get called out for it.

we're all half assed morons for spending so much time here in the first place.

i'm done.
i need a fucking day off.

The thing that I really like about this place is that you can talk about whatever you want, and unless you go REEEEEAAAALLLLYYY far over the line (dropping the N bomb in a purely racist connotation) you pretty much get away with it.

Now, I know the ATLliens get blamed for a lot of the loss of what I will refer to as 'collegiality' around here, but in most instances it is good natured shit talking, and in the end, all of our difference DO make us a stronger community...god that sounded sappy

Shut up, Dad.

With your above comments, I could go REEEEAAAAALLLLLLYYY far over the line, but I won't -- you LUMMOX.

ayah · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:03 pm **Posts:** 6402

HaqDiesel Wrote:

I don't doubt that by and large the guys on this board are less receptive to explicit reference to gay sex than to straight sex. My point was only that some of the negative response Chris perceives may not be solely from the fact of his homosexuality but from his occasionally explicit reference to specific events. Come on, ayah - you're less enthusiastic about some posters because of the way they express their sexuality, "imagined" or otherwise, right? I'm not interested any boarder's sexual conquests, but sometimes I'm subjected to them, and sometimes the stories don't improve my opinion of the poster in question.

you are correct, sir.
AND quite eloquent as usual.
totally get it and i certainly didn't mean to attack you personally because you are one of the most objective people here.

HaqDiesel · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:07 pm

you flatter me. regardless, sorry if i pissed you off back there.

Kingfish · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:10 pm

So doing two chicks at the same doesn't impress you people?
Tough crowd. Lyin' about sex usually works for me.

I think this boils down to just banning OPA and Monty. Problems solved. :wink:

ayah · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:03 pm **Posts:** 6402

HaqDiesel Wrote:

you flatter me. regardless, sorry if i pissed you off back there.

absolutely not.

Dusty Chalk · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:23 pm

FT® Wrote:

The only person about who my opinion changed upon learning of their homosexuality was my Dad, for obvious reasons. He's dead now, and I still love him, but it's still a very confusing and difficult to process situation.

Yeah, seriously. Like, 'how the fuck was I born?' confusing.

FT · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:44 pm

Dusty Chalk Wrote:

FT® Wrote:

The only person about who my opinion changed upon learning of their homosexuality was my Dad, for obvious reasons. He's dead now, and I still love him, but it's still a very confusing and difficult to process situation.

Yeah, seriously. Like, 'how the fuck was I born?' confusing.

Exactly!

MontyTheMongoose · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:35 pm

oldbullee Wrote:

So doing two chicks at the same doesn't impress you people?
Tough crowd. Lyin' about sex usually works for me.

I think this boils down to just banning OPA and Monty. Problems solved. :wink:

Du-te la dracul, nenorocitule.

HideousLump · **Posted:** Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:31 am

splates Wrote:

HideousLump Wrote:

Stop Breathin' Wrote:

I disagree with homosexuality.

Somebody 50 Years Ago Wrote:

I disagree with interracial relationships.

Same thing, as far as I'm concerned. We will evolve our way past the first as we are already evolving past the second.

this is a pretty stupid parallel to draw

and im on your side of this argument

The parallel worked much better when I used it in a gay marriage thread a year or two ago.

Either way, I think that the comparison of outdated racial thinking to current anti-gay attitudes is valid. Forty years ago, opponents of race mixing would defend themselves the same way--"It's what I believe, and you have to respect that." Nowadays, if somebody said that to you about interracial marriage, could you respect them for it? Or would you see them as a sad, fading remnant of a less evolved time?

Stop Breathin' · **Posted:** Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:02 pm

You speak of social and cultural evolution as if they are always a good thing. Doesn't fly with me. "Outdated thinking" is all in the mind of the person who thinks differently.

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