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Damn. Just watched a tivo'd copy of it. *Good* episode. At first I was all annoyed that it was another Sawyer backstory, but sheesh.


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so. anyone else catch that the waitress was kate's mom?

i only caught that because i remembered her from the last time as one of the aunts on "sabrina the teenage witch." :D


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I'll try real hard to like it next week, just for you.


have fun watching a rerun.

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shiv Wrote:
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I'll try real hard to like it next week, just for you.


have fun watching a rerun.
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lego Wrote:
shiv Wrote:
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I'll try real hard to like it next week, just for you.


have fun watching a rerun.
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oh wait there's a new one next week then it doesn't come back until the beginning of march.

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Not during sweeps. The hiatus is probably in March.


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tonight wasn't acted very well, but the story was reallly awesome.

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I thought it was a terrible episode. I was very disappointed.

So Sawyer makes huge strides to redeem himself (going after Walt, etc) but then goes back on his character so he can be the one in charge of the guns? I mean, the power struggle is an interesting aspect of the show but I just thought last night's seemed thrown together to try to create tensions we've already experienced.

Also, the explanation that Charlie kiddnapped Sun to embarrass Locke is a huge stretch. In order for the whole plan to actually work, Sawyer's side of it all would have to come into place perfectly and his plan had way too much potential for failure. If Charlie was high again I could see him doing something like this but to have him be sober and still do it is ridiculous based on his character IMO.

Anyway, I just hope they get back to good story telling next week.

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Keep in mind that both Charlie and Sawyer are so resentful that the WHY of their actions is not going to be sensible. Charlie resents Locke, Sawyer resents Jack. Both of them are filled with self-loathing but not self-control. Both carry baggage from bad family events. Both will and have made decisions based on petty personal demons at the expense of the group's safety.


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I agree with Andy - it seems like Sawyer just went inexplicably back to square one. If the explanation is "oh, but he's just been conning US the whole time," then I'm just never going to sympathize with his character or like him ever again.

My question is, what was the deal with the way the "long con" played out at the end? Did he con the girl and his partner, buy giving her the wrong bag and skipping out on his partner? The only reason I could think of for him to do that instead of just going through with the con and THEN skipping out is to give himself time before his partner thought he would be done.


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I think Sawyer wanted to remove the guns period and was willing to have people hate him for it. Maybe he saw things coming to a head between Jack and Locke, and, since he can't stand either one of them being in charge, decided to defuse the situation his own way.


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You'd think Eko would just pick Sawyer up and hang him upside down until he called uncle.


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Wild guess here: Sawyer won't be "in charge" for long. What's he gonna do, never sleep?

I'm most excited about the previews for next week. Clock hits zero. Yeah, what I've been waiting for.

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Wild guess here: Sawyer won't be "in charge" for long. What's he gonna do, never sleep?


That's the thing- there's no point in killing sawyer or ambushing him if he really won't tell where the guns are. sure, you can take the one he's got, but he says he'll die before he tells.


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Yeah, I had pretty mixed feelings about last night's episode. On the one had, it was really entertaining and had a really unexpected twist. On the other hand, as Andy pointed out, said twist seems pretty pointless and contradictory to how Sawyer's character has been developing. His "motives" for doing this are incredibly hard to swallow. And I know we're not supposed to complain about this show and how it's been moving more slowly, but this really seems like a pointless detour to help draw things out and keep from having to move the overall plot forward. I could be wrong, but we'll see.

At least we finally get to see what happens when the clock runs out. I'm excited about that.


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sawyer's excuse for going lame-o on the collective was kinda stupid -- "you divvied my stuff when i went to go rescue us on the Good Ship Ghetto Raft." kate was only partly right in her explanation at the end. perhaps its not that he wants everyone to hate him, he's just ok if everyone hates him on his way to an end. what's his end? is fear too simple of an answer? there's more to sawyer's backstory and his hate of somebody like jack could go a lot deeper, too...

only one person attacked sun. she could overpower charlie, and just maybe ana lucia. who else coulda done it? i wish clare did, and then somebody could shoot her and then she'd be off the show.

kate hates ana lucia
sawyer hates jack
charlie hates locke
mr. eko is starting to hate charlie
mr. eko and locke are gonna clash at some point
everybody hates sawyer right now
somebody, other than charlie or kate, is going to start siding with sawyer to get closer to the guns


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shiv Wrote:
lego Wrote:
shiv Wrote:
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I'll try real hard to like it next week, just for you.


have fun watching a rerun.
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oh wait there's a new one next week then it doesn't come back until the beginning of march.

New Feb. 15, new Feb. 22. Hiatus until Mar. 22.

The remaining schedule for the season:

214 - 2/15/06
215 - 2/22/06

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216 - 3/22/06
217 - 3/29/06
218 - 4/05/06

--break--

219 - 4/26/06
220 - 5/03/06
221 - 5/10/06
222 - 5/17/06
223 - 5/24/06

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I say again, does anyone know if they'll replay last night's episode before the new one next week? They sometimes do that, and I don't see anything on the website...

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Stop Breathin' Wrote:
Wild guess here: Sawyer won't be "in charge" for long. What's he gonna do, never sleep?

I'm most excited about the previews for next week. Clock hits zero. Yeah, what I've been waiting for.


FUCK! We didn't get to see next week's preview because the stupid Canadian carrier cuts it off and starts telling us about crap local programming.

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katie, a princess Wrote:

kate hates ana lucia
sawyer hates jack
charlie hates locke
mr. eko is starting to hate charlie
mr. eko and locke are gonna clash at some point
everybody hates sawyer right now
somebody, other than charlie or kate, is going to start siding with sawyer to get closer to the guns


You left out:

Everyone hates Charlie.
Ana Lucia might start hating Jack.

I think Sayid is going to be next to show his loyalty. He has to get involved somehow. Maybe Kate stays close with Sawyer so she can get the guns later on. Do a "long con" on him so to speak.


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Long con - yes, I thought that meant he conned both the girl and his partner, which was analogous to how he played everyone.

Sawyer's motives - I'm pretty sure his little speech was diversionary for reasons we'll later learn about (Kate's "hate" talk and Charlie's question certainly set things in a particular direction). My guess is that he wants a "seat at the table" in deciding how things are run, as opposed to letting Jack and Locke make all the decisions. Plot-wise, I think this introduces yet more conflict where you don't really know where x character is coming from - I certainly didn't see Charlie coming. You simply don't know what to expect from Locke and Eko, sometimes Kate, Charlie, Ana Lucia, and now Sawyer is definitely back in the mix.

If anything, I think this sets us up for even more "wha?" moments in the spring.

I wouldn't be surprised if Charlie confesses his knowledge of the guns to Claire and Locke as a misguided attempt to get back on everyone's good side.

Also, Jorge's "in another time" quip had me laughing...I imagine that had some resonance with all of the Lost blogs...


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Wild guess here: Sawyer won't be "in charge" for long. What's he gonna do, never sleep?

I'm most excited about the previews for next week. Clock hits zero. Yeah, what I've been waiting for.


FUCK! We didn't get to see next week's preview because the stupid Canadian carrier cuts it off and starts telling us about crap local programming.


Fuck that. I mute the tube and avert my eyes for every preview. I hate that shit.


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I wouldn't be surprised if Charlie confesses his knowledge of the guns to Claire and Locke as a misguided attempt to get back on everyone's good side.


i think charlie has truly entered a state of dementia for now. he's the dark side and it's gonna take some serious intervention for him to come back to the other side. i think this requires a friendship with one of the "good guys" or something down the line.

so what kinda hell is he gonna raise? his hatred might make him attack locke. or vex locke in upkeeping the clock. the clocke, if you will.

so. kate. girlfriend's gotta mess up someone now. she's returning to team jack in the next episode and ana lucia is gonna have none of that. i wouldnt be surprised if ana lucia had something to do with the kidnapping attempt.


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so. kate. girlfriend's gotta mess up someone now. she's returning to team jack in the next episode and ana lucia is gonna have none of that. i wouldnt be surprised if ana lucia had something to do with the kidnapping attempt.


I just hope Kate wins. She's way hotter than Ana Lucia.

I'm wondering if this whole thing with Sawyer is a way for them to team Jack and Locke back up again rather than having them opposing each other all the time. If Ana Lucia is in on the kidnapping of Sun, I bet they start hooking her and Sawyer up as Kate moves back to Jack.

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