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anyone who's seen My Cousin Vinny would know this exact same fact.


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I'll check on the 20th, don't see any reason why we couldn't.

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No one's mentioned dub yet. Someone talk authoritatively about dub in the context of Massive. Aside from the whole, you know, Mad Professor thing (which has some great moments).



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Very nice record, very dubby, great songs.


Yeah, I know...I was hoping someone would take the ball and run with it.

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Since Dubwise is fucking up, here's what an authority has to say about it...

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Dub derives its name from the practice of dubbing instrumental, rhythm-oriented versions of reggae songs onto the B-sides of 45 rpm singles, which evolved into a legitimate and accepted style of its own as those re-recordings became forums for engineers to experiment with the possibilities of their mixing consoles. The practice of re-recording reggae tracks without vocals dated back to 1967, when DJs found that dancehall crowds and partygoers greatly enjoyed being given the opportunity to sing the lyrics themselves. Around 1969, some DJs began talking, or "toasting," over these instrumentals (known as "versions"), frequently reinterpreting the already familiar original lyrics. The most important early DJ was U-Roy, who became renowned for his ability to improvise dialogues with the recorded singers; U-Roy ran the sound system owned by engineer King Tubby, who mixed all of the instrumental tracks over which his DJ toasted. Eventually, Tubby began to experiment with remixing the instrumental tracks, bringing up the level of the rhythm section, dropping out most or all of the vocals, and adding new effects like reverb and echo. The results were seen by many reggae fans as stripping the music down to its purest essence. 45-rpm singles with dub versions on the B-sides became ubiquitous, and King Tubby's credit on the back soon became a drawing card in and of itself. Full-fledged dub albums began to appear in 1973, with many highlights stemming from Tubby's mixes for producers Bunny Lee and Augustus Pablo (the latter of whom also played the haunting melodica, which became one of dub's signature added elements); other key early producers included the minimalistic Keith Hudson and the colorful, elaborate Lee "Scratch" Perry. By 1976, dub's popularity in Jamaica was second only to Rastafarian roots reggae, and the sound had also found acceptance the U.K. (thanks largely to the Island label), where roots reggae artists like Burning Spear and Black Uhuru became just as well-known for their forays into dub. The Mad Professor and the experimental Adrian Sherwood helped Britain's dub scene remain vital in the '80s, but in spite of skilled newcomers like Scientist, Prince Jammy, and Mikey Dread, Jamaican popular taste had by then shifted to DJ toasters and lyrical improvisers, which led to the prominence of dancehall and ragga. The downtempo atmospherics and bass- and rhythm-heavy textures of dub had a lasting influence outside of reggae, beginning with Public Image Ltd.'s 1979 Metal Box/Second Edition album; during the '90s, dub was frequently incorporated into the melting-pot eclecticism of underground avant-garde rock, and Britain's thriving electronica/drum'n'bass scene owed a great deal to dub's mixing and production techniques.

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Polly6 hi5!

I'm so posi these days.


What's posi?


It's a limited slip differential which distributes power equally to both the right and left tires. The '64 Skylark had a regular differential, which, anyone who's been stuck in the mud in Alabama knows, you step on the gas, one tire spins, the other tire does nothing.


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Start with Mezzanine.
Continue with Blue Lines and keep reminding yourself it was released in '91.

Also essential: first two Tricky records, Endtroducing... and Pre-emptive Strike, Dummy, Laika's Sound of the Satellites, Lamb's Fear of Fours


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I picked up Mezzanine for the Liz Frasier tracks but fell in love with the rest of that album. I bought another Massive Attack cd (weird pinkish/ cartoon cover, can't recall name) and have only listened to it once.

If you happen to watch House on Fox (the Hugh Laurie medical show), then you hear the first couple of minutes of Teardrop by Massive Attack (sans Liz's beautiful vocals).

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I like what hear so far...

Although it makes me wanna light a fatty.

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Senator Top Cat LooGAR Wrote:
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I've never heard Endtroducing

I ignored this type of music in the 1990s, for the most part. Had to be huge, and in the mood.


holy shit loog, you need to get on this STAT.

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Am I fired? :oops:

Here's my (far from authoritive) take on Dub:

The OG stuff isn't diverse enough that you need a lot of it. Get yourself an album like Augustus Pablo- King Tubby Meets The Rockers Uptown
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or a good comp like Dub Chill Out

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or a combo Roots Reggae album with the Dub remix like Burning Spears- Marcus Garvey/Garvey's Ghost

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If you like what you hear you can build from there but I honestly don't think you need to build that big of a collection of the OG stuff. And this is coming from someone who loves old school Dub. I love it as an influence even more because that's where the diversity comes in. And that's where things can get tricky on where you draw the line with what is Dub. You can really dig deep.

You can go to the UK sound where it borders on Industrial & Electro with stuff like Gary Clail or Renegade Soundwave. Or there's Cabaret Voltaire & Meat Beat Manifesto... where does the Dub end & the Industrial begin with these 4 acts? Sometimes I think what label you were signed to had more to do with what you were considered than your actual sound. Or there's the stuff that predates Massive but combines the same elements like Soul II Soul or The Beatmasters (neither did it as good as Massive but if it's been 16 years since you last heard Soul II Soul's Club Classics Vol. 1 you should be ashamed). Or there's straight up Dub/Reggae like Smith & Mighty and Dub Syndicate. Or one that I really like is Sly & Robbie- Drum & Bass Strip to the Bone by Howie B.

When I listen to Underworld's- dubnobasswithmyheadman, Ministry- Twitch or Outkast's- Aquemini I hear a lot of Dub. It's not just the obvious stuff like Massive, The Orb or PIL.

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Senator Top Cat LooGAR Wrote:
I like what hear so far...

Although it makes me wanna light a fatty.

Is that bad? :P


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pumachik Wrote:
Senator Top Cat LooGAR Wrote:
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I've never heard Endtroducing

I ignored this type of music in the 1990s, for the most part. Had to be huge, and in the mood.


holy shit loog, you need to get on this STAT.


I rectified this today.

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