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Seriously?

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absolutely fucking not.

i bet it works though.

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absolutely fucking not.

i bet it works though.


Yeah, I am thinking so.

reason I don't bleieve it: I've never heard of the building before. If they said that triangle building in SF or the Golden Gate Bridge, I might could see it, but these people do things for EFFECT. Its not just the killoing of random folks, its to FUCK WITH OUR PSYCHE.

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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Louisiana was not attacked.

I repeat. Not attacked.

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what are you all talking about? attack?

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Yeah, I do. The Australians seem to be all over this Indonesian dude who was supposedly Bin Laden's man in the east. He was able to use non-arab recruits to try and avoid scrutiny. All this apparently came to light when the broke up the cel in the Phillipines that was trying to top off the pope.

The shoe-bomber aspect also makes sense, and apparently they've got good intel placing Reid in cahoots with the Indonesians.


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Yeah, I do. The Australians seem to be all over this Indonesian dude who was supposedly Bin Laden's man in the east. He was able to use non-arab recruits to try and avoid scrutiny. All this apparently came to light when the broke up the cel in the Phillipines that was trying to top off the pope.

The shoe-bomber aspect also makes sense, and apparently they've got good intel placing Reid in cahoots with the Indonesians.


Like they had good intel on them WMD?

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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It's a cute publicity stunt for the 2006 elections.


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heres the story for those who want it

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Multinational co-operation thwarted 2002 terrorist attack on U.S.: Bush

WASHINGTON (AP) - President George W. Bush said the U.S.-led global war on terror has "weakened and fractured" al-Qaida and allied groups, outlining as proof new details about the multinational co-operation that foiled purported terrorist plans to fly a commercial plane into the tallest skyscraper on the West Coast.

"The terrorists are living under constant pressure and this adds to our security," Bush said. "When terrorists spend their days working to avoid death or capture, it's harder for them to plan and execute new attacks on our country. By striking the terrorists where they live, we're protecting the American homeland."

But the president said the anti-terror battle is far from over.

"The terrorists are weakened and fractured, yet they're still lethal," the president said in a speech at the National Guard Memorial Building. "We cannot let the fact that America hasn't been attacked in 4 1/2 years since September the 11th lull us into the illusion that the threats to our nation have disappeared. They have not."

Bush has referred to the 2002 plot before. In an address last October, he said the United States and its allies had foiled at least 10 serious plots by the al-Qaida terror network in the last four years, including plans for Sept. 11-like attacks on both U.S. coasts. The White House initially would not give details of the plots but later released a fact sheet with a brief, and vague, description of each.

The president filled in details Thursday.

He said that Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who was captured in 2003, had already begun planning the West Coast operation in October, just after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. One of Mohammed's key planners was Hambali, the alleged operations chief of the al-Qaida related group Jemaah Islamiyah.

Instead of recruiting Arab hijackers, Hambali found Southeast Asian men who would be less likely to arouse suspicion and who were sent to meet with Osama bin Laden, Bush said.

Under the plot, the hijackers were to use shoe bombs to blow open the cockpit door of a commercial jetliner, take control of the plane and crash it into the Library Tower in Los Angeles, since renamed the US Bank Tower, Bush said.

In his remarks, Bush inadvertently referred to the site as "Liberty Tower," and immediately afterward, the White House corrected him.

The president said the plot was derailed when a Southeast Asian country arrested a key al-Qaida operative. Bush did not name the country or the operative.

Bush has been on a campaign to defend his controversial domestic monitoring program. But the White House would not say whether the 2002 plot was thwarted as a result of the National Security Agency program to eavesdrop on the international e-mails and phone calls of people inside the United States with suspected ties to terrorists.

Bush said only that "subsequent debriefings and other intelligence operations" after the arrest of the unnamed operative led to information about the plot, and to the capture of other ringleaders and operatives involved in it. Hambali, for instance, was captured in Thailand in 2003 and handed over to the United States.

"It took the combined efforts of several countries to break up this plot," the president said. "By working together, we took dangerous terrorists off the streets. By working together, we stopped a catastrophic attack on our homeland."

Bush's speech in October cited two other attacks inside the United States that were foiled, including one to use hijacked planes to attack the East Coast in mid-2003.

The third was the case of Jose Padilla, a former Chicago gang member who converted to Islam and allegedly plotted with top al-Qaida commanders to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb" in a U.S. city.

Padilla now is being held without bail in civilian custody on charges that he was part of a secret network that supported Muslim terrorists. He was arrested in May 2002 and had been held as an enemy combatant without criminal charge at a U.S. navy brig in South Carolina until last month.

None of the charges involves the alleged dirty bomb plot, which never materialized.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:28 pm 
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absolutely fucking not.

i bet it works though.


Yeah, I am thinking so.

reason I don't bleieve it: I've never heard of the building before. If they said that triangle building in SF or the Golden Gate Bridge, I might could see it, but these people do things for EFFECT. Its not just the killoing of random folks, its to FUCK WITH OUR PSYCHE.


The little I've read about it suggests that it was thwarted more as a result of the arrest of terrorist operatives by other countries than any US led intelligence efforts. I don't disbelieve that there was some planned attack but just think its irrelevant from the standpoint of whether Bush broke the law with regard to domestic spying and whether the patriot act should be renewed.

As far as your comment about the supposed target, LA is a huge city -- much larger than SF in terms of population -- and thus is a logical target for terrorists. Because of the sprawl though, there are not really any single obvious targets within LA. If someone were to target LA, I suppose that building would make as much sense as any other.


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I forget where I read it, but someone was supposing Bush actually flew into the air and single-handedly caught the plane/bomb midair, saving all of us. I like the mental image.

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DAMN Indonesians!

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Assuming the scenario is true, what reaction does the president expect from us? I mean, I don't get on my feet and clap when the waiter at Red Lobster gets my order right. Defending the country from attacks is the bare minimum I expect from the Commander-in-Chief, and he already screwed up once.


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Borg166 Wrote:
Assuming the scenario is true, what reaction does the president expect from us? I mean, I don't get on my feet and clap when the waiter at Red Lobster gets my order right. Defending the country from attacks is the bare minimum I expect from the Commander-in-Chief, and he already screwed up once.


I don't fault the president for this one. There is a little, just a wee little bit more uncertainty about our general safety/vulnerability to terrorist attacks than there is about Red Lobster preparing food.

I see nothing wrong with publicising success stories. This achieves two things. First, it reassures us that safeguards are working, because they haven't always worked in the past. Second, and more important, it reminds us that there is still a threat. Last week I found myself being quite pissed that I was singled out for a random screening at the airport--subjected to a pat down, shoe removal and Ionscan swipe, and purpose of journey questionnaire--it's easy to lose sight of why we do all this. An effective reminder is a good thing.


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I am reassured of exactly dick though. Even if this was exactly that, a terror plot that was actually going to be carried out, and plans were in motion to do so. It still wasn't foiled by warrantless wiretapping, which is exactly what the administration is going to go out of its way to convince people it was. We're no safer now than we were a couple years ago and not surprisingly, WE WILL NEVER BE 100% SAFE FROM TERROR.

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 Post subject: Re: Does ANYBODY believe this thwarted LA attack thing?
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No, not seriously.


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Louisiana was not attacked.

I repeat. Not attacked.


:lol:

Unless the ol'Prez sez "...after furder investigeishan, we have found the Gulf states were attacked by Al Kayda."

A congressional committee hearing will be forthcoming in a coupla weeks. A nice chat will ensue. The media will forget LA and brethren ever existed.


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Louisiana was not attacked.

I repeat. Not attacked.


:lol:

Unless the ol'Prez sez "...after furder investigeishan, we have found the Gulf states were attacked by Al Kayda."

A congressional committee hearing will be forthcoming in a coupla weeks. A nice chat will ensue. The media will forget LA and brethren ever existed.


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i belive it. i also heard that several cubans were seen leaving the area of the grassy knoll.


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If it were Kerry or Gore, you'd all be praising him for this stopping the attacks.

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If it were Kerry or Gore, you'd all be praising him for this stopping the attacks.


I'd be praising them for a lot of other things.

Then I'd bitch for the next 4 years about how they're not Marxist enough.


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