This album is moving me today like never before

timmyjoe42 · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:53 pm

I have tried so hard to like this disc, with no luck.

Hegel · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:55 pm

Who is NMH? Forgive me not know the abbreviation...

HaqDiesel · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:57 pm

neutral milk hotel

Dusty Chalk · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:02 pm

bitterbuffalo Wrote:

Dusty Chalk Wrote:

Jeff Mangum Wrote:

Thanks for the blowjob, Todd and the record sales.

I can't believe you spelled your own name wrong. :lol:

umm he didn't :roll:

Oh.

Mr. Mister · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:11 pm

HaqDiesel Wrote:

The Mayor of Simpleton Wrote:

I think it's a good album, but I don't think it's worthy of the immense, unending, massive love that it gets. No album is - this amounts to the same kind of hype we see for enormously successful mainstream releases. In other words, I think it seems more like a duty to love it as an indie-fan than the fact that it really is that great. There are hundreds of albums in my collection that I would listen to over this one most of the time.

This is a silly comment. You're essentially assuming that because you don't like it as much as other people say they do, those people must be exaggerating or deluding themselves.

Haq, when you call bullshit like this it makes me happy.

HaqDiesel · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:15 pm

<high five>!

Spade Kitty · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:49 am **Posts:** 4401

I don't like his voice or self-similar songwriting enough to think it's a classic, but it's certainly a pretty good album.

The Mayor of Simpleton · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:26 pm

mr. mister Wrote:

HaqDiesel Wrote:

The Mayor of Simpleton Wrote:

I think it's a good album, but I don't think it's worthy of the immense, unending, massive love that it gets. No album is - this amounts to the same kind of hype we see for enormously successful mainstream releases. In other words, I think it seems more like a duty to love it as an indie-fan than the fact that it really is that great. There are hundreds of albums in my collection that I would listen to over this one most of the time.

This is a silly comment. You're essentially assuming that because you don't like it as much as other people say they do, those people must be exaggerating or deluding themselves.

Haq, when you call bullshit like this it makes me happy.

Except it's not bullshit. Did no one else read this article? There are a LOT of people who rank things like this ultra-high because they feel a duty to do so because their peers do so and they don't want to be left out, rather than that they think it's really worthy of that status. I never said anything negative about the album - it's an interesting album, it's a good album, but there's nothing particularly special about it, either that should warrant the kind of worship it gets. Look at the reaction many of you are giving to people who don't react with unquestioning adoration.

Mr. Mister · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:59 pm

The Mayor of Simpleton Wrote:

Except it's not bullshit. Did no one else read this article? There are a LOT of people who rank things like this ultra-high because they feel a duty to do so because their peers do so and they don't want to be left out, rather than that they think it's really worthy of that status. I never said anything negative about the album - it's an interesting album, it's a good album, but there's nothing particularly special about it, either that should warrant the kind of worship it gets. Look at the reaction many of you are giving to people who don't react with unquestioning adoration.

to deconstruct this haq-style: so now you are saying that because of a study cited by the BBC, of which the essential finding is that 'peer pressure' also exists in musical realms, this album is overrated.

i disagree: this record has never found mainstream or wide acceptance, and although some may differ on this, i think that this album is not even that widespread in the indie community, in terms of the number of people who have heard it. why, then, has it gained the critical stature and growing acceptance that it has over these last years? because of the rabid intensity of devotion this album inspires in its followers. these rabid followers (myself included) get into this album not because of peer pressure (although that may explain why they gave it a spin in the first place), but because of deep emotional and aesthetic reaction that most seem to have to it. to imply that all these people are lying about it and this is only a classic record because of peer pressure could be interpreted as offensive to some. not me, however, i don't much care if you don't get into the record that much. just don't slag on it because there are a whole bunch of us who do.

Mr. Mister · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:59 pm

HaqDiesel Wrote:

<high five>!

word.

Timis · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:17 pm

i tried to like this album. i don't think its terrible by any means....its just not an album i want to listen to over and over. just doesnt grab me like it does to alot of people on this board.

shiv · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:51 pm

iron_and_beer · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:52 pm

Dusty Chalk Wrote:

bitterbuffalo Wrote:

Dusty Chalk Wrote:

Jeff Mangum Wrote:

Thanks for the blowjob, Todd and the record sales.

I can't believe you spelled your own name wrong. :lol:

umm he didn't :roll:

Oh.

They actually have listings for both spellings at allmusic.com, although it appears that Mangum is correct (until today, I thought it was Magnum :oops:

)

billy g · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:41 pm **Posts:** 9020

mr. mister Wrote:

The Mayor of Simpleton Wrote:

Except it's not bullshit. Did no one else read this article? There are a LOT of people who rank things like this ultra-high because they feel a duty to do so because their peers do so and they don't want to be left out, rather than that they think it's really worthy of that status. I never said anything negative about the album - it's an interesting album, it's a good album, but there's nothing particularly special about it, either that should warrant the kind of worship it gets. Look at the reaction many of you are giving to people who don't react with unquestioning adoration.

to deconstruct this haq-style: so now you are saying that because of a study cited by the BBC, of which the essential finding is that 'peer pressure' also exists in musical realms, this album is overrated.

i disagree: this record has never found mainstream or wide acceptance, and although some may differ on this, i think that this album is not even that widespread in the indie community, in terms of the number of people who have heard it. why, then, has it gained the critical stature and growing acceptance that it has over these last years? because of the rabid intensity of devotion this album inspires in its followers. these rabid followers (myself included) get into this album not because of peer pressure (although that may explain why they gave it a spin in the first place), but because of deep emotional and aesthetic reaction that most seem to have to it. to imply that all these people are lying about it and this is only a classic record because of peer pressure could be interpreted as offensive to some. not me, however, i don't much care if you don't get into the record that much. just don't slag on it because there are a whole bunch of us who do.

This album is pretty average. Your adulation of it leads to two possible options:

(1) You really know better but have been suckered in by peer pressure
(2) You have shitty taste but its your own shitty taste

Take your pick.

*

*note the double wink

shiv · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:00 pm

billy g Wrote:

*note the double wink

or as most people call it, blinking.

Dusty Chalk · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:01 pm

Iron_and_Beer Wrote:

Dusty Chalk Wrote:

bitterbuffalo Wrote:

Dusty Chalk Wrote:

Jeff Mangum Wrote:

Thanks for the blowjob, Todd and the record sales.

I can't believe you spelled your own name wrong. :lol:

umm he didn't :roll:

Oh.

They actually have listings for both spellings at allmusic.com, although it appears that Mangum is correct (until today, I thought it was Magnum :oops:

)

Yeah, I did some research before I responded (the second time, anyway). There's quite a few Magnums out there, if you do a search ("mangum neutral milk hotel" vs. "magnum neutral milk hotel"), but I suspect it's because "Magnum" is a word, it's an expectable spelling, so they still put it in the keywords suggestion.

Quite possibly one of the most frequently misspelled names in pop/r&r, now that I think about it. Well, except maybe Megadeath and/or Dream Theatre.

fickerson · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:16 pm

The Mayor of Simpleton Wrote:

mr. mister Wrote:

HaqDiesel Wrote:

The Mayor of Simpleton Wrote:

I think it's a good album, but I don't think it's worthy of the immense, unending, massive love that it gets. No album is - this amounts to the same kind of hype we see for enormously successful mainstream releases. In other words, I think it seems more like a duty to love it as an indie-fan than the fact that it really is that great. There are hundreds of albums in my collection that I would listen to over this one most of the time.

This is a silly comment. You're essentially assuming that because you don't like it as much as other people say they do, those people must be exaggerating or deluding themselves.

Haq, when you call bullshit like this it makes me happy.

Except it's not bullshit. Did no one else read this article? There are a LOT of people who rank things like this ultra-high because they feel a duty to do so because their peers do so and they don't want to be left out, rather than that they think it's really worthy of that status. I never said anything negative about the album - it's an interesting album, it's a good album, but there's nothing particularly special about it, either that should warrant the kind of worship it gets. Look at the reaction many of you are giving to people who don't react with unquestioning adoration.

and this post (as well as your previous response to me) makes me annoyed.

most of the people i hang out with have never even heard of this album. i had never heard of it until a friend was listening to it one day and i happened to like it. i wasn't even into the indie rock scene back then. and i bought it from that one listen, and listened over and over and over because i felt an intense, personal connection with the music. just because you don't see anything special in it doesn't mean others can't, or that they feel that doing so is their "duty." but of course, you have to make these objective generalizations so you don't feel left out of your snide, cynical peers, right?

duckyboy · **Posted:** Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:41 am

The Mayor of Simpleton Wrote:

Except it's not bullshit. Did no one else read this article?

Quote:

Sociologist Matthew Salganik, who conducted the survey, said the complex findings dispelled the idea that "music executives can create stars at will".

He added that success was not relative to the quality of the music.

"It also suggests that even if an act creates high quality music, you might not be successful," he said.

"complex findings" :lol:

Bee OK · **Posted:** Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:07 am

The Mayor of Simpleton Wrote:

I think it's a good album, but I don't think it's worthy of the immense, unending, massive love that it gets. No album is -

I think this is the part that made her sad, or was that me who rolled his eyes.

Phenomenal album, truly a modern classic that hit me over the head but took the right situation. The way this album flows and hits that apex where you realize that this is the reason why you are such a hard-core music fan. How this album literally stopped me in my tracks was on a walk one night. Walking to nowhere really but just taking in the late night with my earphones on. Hearing everything so crystal clear because of the way this album is produced and being happy that music really is this good.

Once again Todd you are OTM!

This album is moving me today like never before

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