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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:59 pm 
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read from the bottom up...

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From: Jennifer David
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:29 AM
To: 'bgillis@sociallaw.com'
Subject: FW: Lawyers Behaving Badly

Make sure you read from the bottom up. This girl apparently was absent the day they taught "How Not to Destroy Your Career" at Suffolk law. Here's to propitious beginnings and the arrogance of youth.
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From: Jennifer Boyd Herlihy
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:07 AM
To: All Attorneys
Subject: FW: Lawyers Behaving Badly
Happy Monday.

read from bottom up...

she is active on BBO. luckily alex and I did NOT interview this woman (and she does criminal law).

Jennifer Boyd Herlihy
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75 Federal Street
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From: Gerald M. Coakley
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:52 AM
To: Hoban, Joanne Gulliford; Daly, Allison
Subject: FW: Lawyers Behaving Badly
I hope we didn't interview this one. Must read from the bottom up....

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jacqueline Shanahan <shanahjc@yahoo.com>
To: Eleni <Elenikal@aol.com>
Sent: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 05:07:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fwd: Lawyers Behaving Badly
Eleni -

you got to check this out - it's circulating around the legal community - and guess who......diane abdala!!!

read from the bottom up

Note: forwarded message attached.

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Subject: Lawyers Behaving Badly
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:16:58 -0500


READ FROM THE BOTTOM UP

Another Suffolk Grad improving our name in the legal community!


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From: Sorgini, John [mailto:JSORGINI@nixonpeabody.com]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:07 PM
To: Winnick, Jonathan; Haueisen, Danika; Humber, Molly; Pugliano, Amy; Boyle, Meghan; Dolan, Patricia; alison.jean@bingham.com; antonia@downingandflynn.com; bcano@yhlawfirm.com; blamanna@acdlaw.com; blhyllengren@DBH.com; czimerman@bcarrlaw.com; Douglas.Rice@ago.state.ma.us; Gray, Russell C.; jdarby@ccg.carr.org; neda.karamouz@us.pwc.com
Subject: FW: FW: Lawyers Behaving Badly
Another proud Suffolk grad - read from bottom up

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From: Josh Miller [mailto:jsmesq@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:48 PM
To: Keefe, Len; Falcone, Jayson; Sorgini, John; Lacey, John; Kelley, John; Nash, Jim
Subject: Fwd: FW: Lawyers Behaving Badly
Start at the bottom and read up. Go Suffolk! Do any of you know this girl? She should teach a course on networking.

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From: Winslow, Garrett [mailto: GMWinslow@mintz.com]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 2:56 PM
To: Kim
Subject: FW: Lawyers Behaving Badly
Unfortunately, she went to Suffolk. Forward to Angie when you get a chance.


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From: Joshua Krell
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:57 AM
To: krisna.basu@verizon.net; steven.ostrovitz@verizon.net; 'Jonathan Krell'; Miriam Krell Bourke, Attorney at Law; Jennifer Hallowell; Erin Trudell; lalab98@yahoo.com; Michael Newman; Diane Swierczynski; William Ahern; Stacey Ward; Sarah Allen
Subject: Lawyers Behaving Badly

This just in from former colleagues at the AG's Office (Bloom and Breen). Will Korman is a rising star in the criminal defense world, and great guy to boot, who was a brand new ADA when I was doing a rotation in Roxbury District Court. He now has a burgeoning solo practice. Start from the bottom and start cringing. Josh


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From: Stacey G. Bloom [mailto: sbloom@mhtl.com]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:05 AM
To: Joshua Krell
Subject: FW: Thank you

Take a look at what David just forwarded me..read from the bottom....

-----Original Message-----
From: David Breen [mailto: dbreen@bu.edu]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:54 AM
To: Stacey G. Bloom
Subject: FW: Thank you

Read from the bottom to the top.there was an intervening exchange of voice mails as well.as you can imagine, they were as unprofessional as her e-mails.

-----Original Message-----
From: William A. Korman [mailto: wak@kormanlaw.com]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:55 AM
To: 'David Breen'
Subject: RE: Thank you

You can e-mail this to whomever you want.

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From: David Breen [mailto: dbreen@bu.edu]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:47 AM
To: 'William A. Korman'
Subject: RE: Thank you

OH MY GOD!

Where to begin?

First of all, how unprofessional.and secondly, it is "reap what you 'sow,'" now "sew".if she is going to use a clich?, couldn't she at least spell it right? And WTF is with her "blab la bla"? Does she not read your e-mail about it being a small community?! So, finally, can I forward this along to some folks? I am sure they would love to see how the up-and-coming lawyers are comporting themselves! (Clearly she did not go to BU!!!) J





-----Original Message-----
From: William A. Korman [mailto: wak@kormanlaw.com]
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:59 AM
To: 'David Breen'
Subject: FW: Thank you

Did I already forward this to you?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dianna Abdala [mailto: dabdala@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:29 PM
To: William A. Korman
Subject: Re: Thank you

bla bla bla
----- Original Message -----
From: William A. Korman
To: 'Dianna Abdala'
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Thank you

Thank you for the refresher course on contracts. This is not a bar exam question. You need to realize that this is a very small legal community, especially the criminal defense bar. Do you really want to start pissing off more experienced lawyers at this early stage of your career?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dianna Abdala [mailto: dabdala@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:01 PM
To: William A. Korman
Subject: Re: Thank you

A real lawyer would have put the contract into writing and not exercised any such reliance until he did so.
Again, thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: William A. Korman
To: 'Dianna Abdala'
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: Thank you

Dianna -
Given that you had two interviews, were offered and accepted the job (indeed, you had a definite start date), I am surprised that you chose an e-mail and a 9:30 PM voicemail message to convey this information to me. It smacks of immaturity and is quite unprofessional. Indeed, I did rely upon your acceptance by ordering stationary and business cards with your name, reformatting a computer and setting up both internal and external e-mails for you here at the office. While I do not quarrel with your reasoning, I am extremely disappointed in the way this played out. I sincerely wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
- Will Korman

-----Original Message-----
From: Dianna Abdala [mailto: dabdala@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:23 PM
To: wak@kormanlaw.com
Subject: Thank you

Dear Attorney Korman,

At this time, I am writing to inform you that I will not be accepting your offer.
After careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that the pay you are offering would neither fulfill me nor support the lifestyle I am living in light of the work I would be doing for you. I have decided instead to work for myself, and reap 100% of the benefits that I sew.

Thank you for the interviews.

Dianna L. Abdala, Esq.


Jennifer David, Esq.
Swartz, McKenna & Lynch, LLP
Old City Hall
45 School Street
Boston, MA 02108
PH: 617-367-2882

*Admitted to practice in Massachusetts and New Hampshire


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my civil procedure professor just sent this to me about five minutes ago. this lady done seriously fucked up.

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wow, she must have been drunk.


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Ha ha ha ha, Suffolk.


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Here's an article on the whole mess:


2 e-mailers get testy, and hundreds read every word

By Sacha Pfeiffer, Globe Staff | February 16, 2006

Once again, a friendly reminder: The next time you're tempted to send a nasty, exasperated, or snippy e-mail, pause, take a deep breath, and think again. Then consider the tale of local lawyers William A. Korman and Dianna L. Abdala.
Korman was miffed that Abdala notified him by e-mail this month that, after tentatively agreeing to work at his law firm, she changed her mind. Her reason: ''The pay you are offering would neither fulfill me nor support the lifestyle I am living."

In his e-mail reply, Korman told Abdala that her decision not to have told him in person ''smacks of immaturity and is quite unprofessional," and noted that in anticipation of her arrival, he had ordered stationery and business cards for her, reformatted a computer, and set up an e-mail account. Nevertheless, he wrote, ''I sincerely wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors."

Her curt retort: ''A real lawyer would have put the contract into writing and not exercised any such reliance until he did so."

His: ''Thank you for the refresher course on contracts. This is not a bar exam question. You need to realize that this is a very small legal community, especially the criminal defense bar. Do you really want to start pissing off more experienced lawyers at this early stage of your career?"
Abdala's final three-word response: ''bla bla bla."

That's when the exchange, confirmed as authentic yesterday by Korman and Abdala, began whipping through cyberspace, landing in e-mail in-boxes around the city and country, and, eventually, across the Atlantic.

In short order, it has become yet another cautionary tale that you should definitely not put in an e-mail anything you wouldn't want the rest of the world to read.

Think former FEMA chief Michael Brown (''Can I quit now?"), indicted Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff (''we need to get some $ from those monkeys!!!!"), and assorted Enron employees (''This week is not good. I have too large a pile of documents to shred").

''It almost sounds too obvious, but I'll say it: You should never write an e-mail that you are not willing to see preserved forever in history," said Boston Bar Association president-elect Jack Cinquegrana, who frequently handles cases that use e-mail as evidence. ''The dangers created by this new world we live in, where everything is recorded for history, are not only that you could be second-guessed at every stage in the context of a civil dispute or government investigation, but that your reputation can be affected by words you don't think you're preserving for posterity -- but really are."

The e-mail exchange between Korman, 36, a former Suffolk County prosecutor, and Abdala, 24, a 2004 graduate of Suffolk University Law School, has circulated so widely that each of them said they have received several hundred inquiries about it from as far away as Europe. Among the questions Korman has fielded are whether the back-and-forth is real (it is) and whether the job is still available (it is not). He received an e-mail from a young lawyer in Kansas apologizing on behalf of young lawyers nationwide.

The exchange became public when Korman sent it to a colleague, who asked if he could forward it elsewhere. ''You can e-mail this to whomever you want," Korman responded. From there, it took flight.

Korman, reached yesterday at his Park Plaza law office, and Abdala, reached at her Watertown home, agree on the basic facts of their short-lived association. Both said Abdala responded to a job advertisement that Korman posted on the online service Craig's List for a criminal defense associate at his year-old firm, Korman & Associates, which consisted of two lawyers. Both said that after a first interview, Abdala said she would accept the job if it were offered to her. Both said that during a second interview, Korman told Abdala he would not be able to pay her as much as he had told her in the first interview; neither would disclose dollar amounts.

They differ on whether, at the end of the second meeting, Abdala accepted the job. Korman said he believes Abdala did, and that they even set a start date, which would have been yesterday. Abdala said there was ''no clear contract or agreement" and she still wanted to ponder the offer. She said she ultimately decided not to take the job because the reduced salary ''might have been realistic for other people to survive on, but I like nicer things. I like the finer things in life."

''I take no issue with why she chose not to work here," said Korman, a 1995 Boston University School of Law graduate. ''But to then insult me by saying I'm not a real lawyer -- that's offensive. ... Here's a woman who's just starting her career, and that she had the unmitigated gall to send an e-mail like that blew me away."

Abdala, who described herself as a ''trust fund baby," was admitted to the Massachusetts bar last year and said that since then she has ''just been taking it easy" because ''I worked hard in school." She decided to respond to Korman's job posting because ''I wanted to establish somewhat of a career for myself," she said. ''No one wants to be living off daddy." Abdala's father, George S. Abdala, is a Springfield lawyer.

Abdala said she is now working for herself by renting space from a lawyer on Franklin Street in Boston, where she will take court-appointed cases and do private criminal defense work.

Abdala said she has no regrets about the e-mail exchange. She said she has reported Korman to the Board of Bar Overseers for ''unprofessional and unethical" conduct for forwarding her e-mail to an outside party. She also said she believes that Korman's remark about Boston's ''small legal community" was tantamount to ''threatening my legal career," and that he circulated the e-mails as a ''cheap ploy to bring more business to his firm."

Threatening Abdala ''certainly wasn't my intention," Korman said. ''My goal wasn't to put her on the defensive, but simply to say there's a strong likelihood, given the small size of the criminal defense bar, that our paths would cross again." Korman acknowledges he sent the e-mail to a colleague, and said he did so because ''it was so shocking and unbelievable."

''All I did," he added, ''was forward a non-privileged, non-client communication to somebody who then chose to forward it along. I really don't see where the ethical breach is."

Sacha Pfeiffer can be reached at pfeiffer@globe.com.
© Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.


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man oh man, what a dumb girl. An admitted trust fund baby, ha!


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This is hilarious.

What a loser.


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This looks like a case for...DENNY CRANE!

Actually, it's probably more up Alan Shore's alley. Especially if the trust fund bimbo is hot.

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awesome...

take note, Aaron!!! :)

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Her dad had better be fucking embarrassed.

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oh def...what a little brat.


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forwarding private correspondence to a friend in the interest of slighting the sender is pretty fucking petty.


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that a lawyer for you.

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How come no one finds fault with the original unprofessional reply from the hiring attorney, and then he goes and forwards the emails with permission to send them to whomever.

Sure, she is dumb, but he ain't exactly squeaky clean in this whole thing.

EDIT: I see Crack gets it, but there are still lots of LOL sheep out there.

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Elvis Fu Wrote:
How come no one finds fault with the original unprofessional reply from the hiring attorney, and then he goes and forwards the emails with permission to send them to whomever.

Sure, she is dumb, but he ain't exactly squeaky clean in this whole thing.
i thought that that's what i did.


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This guy has crack Wrote:
forwarding private correspondence to a friend in the interest of slighting the sender is pretty fucking petty.


right...not with that girls 'tude. petty...look at how she treated an employer.


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This guy has crack Wrote:
Elvis Fu Wrote:
How come no one finds fault with the original unprofessional reply from the hiring attorney, and then he goes and forwards the emails with permission to send them to whomever.

Sure, she is dumb, but he ain't exactly squeaky clean in this whole thing.
i thought that that's what i did.


Dammit, I'm slow on the uptake, and then I edited, but you had already responded. Christ, does this mean I owe you my manhood?

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Elvis Fu Wrote:
How come no one finds fault with the original unprofessional reply from the hiring attorney, and then he goes and forwards the emails with permission to send them to whomever.

Sure, she is dumb, but he ain't exactly squeaky clean in this whole thing.

EDIT: I see Crack gets it, but there are still lots of LOL sheep out there.


sheep with diff't opinons.

baaaah.


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forwarding private correspondence to a friend in the interest of slighting the sender is pretty fucking petty.


right...not with that girls 'tude. petty...look at how she treated an employer.


So what? By stooping to her level, he ain't fit for the high horse.

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Elvis Fu Wrote:
Saint Wrote:
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forwarding private correspondence to a friend in the interest of slighting the sender is pretty fucking petty.


right...not with that girls 'tude. petty...look at how she treated an employer.


So what? By stooping to her level, he ain't fit for the high horse.


um, every tard knows that if you treat someone like that over email, it's getting forwarded. jackass emailers and trust fund babys beware.


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Saint Wrote:
Elvis Fu Wrote:
How come no one finds fault with the original unprofessional reply from the hiring attorney, and then he goes and forwards the emails with permission to send them to whomever.

Sure, she is dumb, but he ain't exactly squeaky clean in this whole thing.

EDIT: I see Crack gets it, but there are still lots of LOL sheep out there.


sheep with diff't opinons.

baaaah.


They obviously ain't paying you to think.

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Saint Wrote:
Elvis Fu Wrote:
Saint Wrote:
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forwarding private correspondence to a friend in the interest of slighting the sender is pretty fucking petty.


right...not with that girls 'tude. petty...look at how she treated an employer.


So what? By stooping to her level, he ain't fit for the high horse.


um, every tard knows that if you treat someone like that over email, it's getting forwarded. jackass emailers and trust fund babys beware.


That doesn't make it professional or mature.

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