I love concrete reasoning, so let me try to muddle through here as best I can.

The Ramones, who you love and as simple as they were, wrote great songs but Guns 'N Roses are just shitty musicians who wrote shitty songs and their fans are fags? At the beginning of your rant, GnR had shitty songwriting and the implied sentiment was that it appealed to the lowest common denominator. "Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue" isn't simple and crude? How can you love the Ramones on one hand, yet crucify a band whose music is quantitatively different but qualitatively the same. That's completely ridiculous and suggests a bit of predjudice against the band and that type of music in general, not to mention fans of the music. Dichotomous, snap judgements are a rare beacon in this enlightened time.



Suckered? How? I didn't have MTV, nothing got "sold" to me. Nobody told me I should like this band, I heard about the album, bought it and loved it when I was 15. That's it, that's all. Don't mistake my argument for some sort of historical revisionism where I'm vainly trying to justify my teenage tastes. It isn't, I loved GnR then and I love it now. The same goes for AC/DC. It is good music. It is entertaining. That it speaks to me as much as it did (and still does) perhaps doesn't speak volumes about my maturity or cultural evolution. Then again maybe it does, excessive education clearly didn't affect my musical sensibilities and turn me into some kind of music snob. I love the rock or more appropriately, RAWK.

And yes, while it is certainly true that Cracked Rear View sold 15 million albums, it doesn't consistently make most critic's lists as one of the most important hard rock albums ever. The same goes for Back in Black for that matter. Hugely popular and critically acknowledged by many critics. It's quality music that spoke to many people, but I'm guessing you'll just chalk this up to people being sheep with bad taste. If you're not willing to admit the album's quality, importance and influence, you don't want to see it or at seem to be too close-minded to consider it.



I've seen the video and I'm not certain to what you are referring to. Is it Axl's hair? Is it the visual image that GnR presents that's offensive to you as a straight person? I'm afraid I don't understand the insistent oft stated correlation between Guns 'n Roses and homosexuality on your part. You keep repeating this and, well, not that you had much of an argument to begin with, but the constant gay baiting doesn't exactly help the validity of your already weak stance.

Just own up to the fact that you don't like or understand this music and you never will. You hate their fans for some unfathomable reason as well and you believe them to be homosexual for their affinity to this kind of music. That would be brave, that would be almost like "coming out".

I couldn't read your post, it was dryer than shit baking in the sun. As to how it's possible to like the ramones but not like GnR, chalk it up to personal preference, and let's leave it at that.

As to the above, I don't like this music. I understand it just fine. It's stupid. I hate their fans for their sheep mentality and bad taste, just like a bunch of obners can't stand DMB fans. Oh, so you heard this fucking band on a CMJ sampler in 1985 at your college station. How indie. Most people had no choice, this crap was shoved down the throats of children and adults alike.

They probably pulled as much tail as Wilt Chamberlain, but at what price? They looked gay.

If you don't think they look gay, let's have "Dress Up as Your Favorite GnR member Day". You can pile your hair up real big like axl, slather on some make up, and see how you fare.

This band is still ridiculous.

Phil, were you beaten up by GnR loving drag queens throughout HS?

I'm with Dumpjack on this one, bubba.

BUT, I admire your consistent and nonsenseical hatred...its what gets me through the day

I'm trying to make the board less meh for you.

but i wasn't ready to start on your stones.

Bring it Jocko...but don't make me say all the things that I don't want to about your beloved Beatles (cos I love 'em too)

Nah, I gotta go smoke and teach yet, and then we've got this stupid awards assembly, and I think the lunch ladies are making meatloaf.

And then I'm opening for B.B. King tongiht.

My day's kind of packed, bubba.

I saw that you mentioned in the other thread you are opening for BB -- that's pretty hot shit, man. Kick some ass! If I was CHI-OB I'd come out.

I think I would've been in a better mood if I was opening for BB King. Why so hostile, Phil?

I'm also with DumpJack and Loog, but I'm not gonna defend it. "Mark it up to personal preference."

Are there any sounds that just send you up a wall?

Nails on blackboards, etc...

This band just sends me up the fucking wall.

I'm sure you all have examples of bands that you just can't figure out if they were born with a golden horseshoe up their ass, or if they sucked alot of dick, but you can't for the life of you figure out how they got to make a living as a musician.

I really just can't figure it out.

If you read up on them at allmusic, it's a riot. The 80's were dominated by synth pop and dance music and pretty boy hair metal pop. Then GnR came and brought danger back to rock n roll.

What?

They're about as dangerous as a Nerf football. They're a product, just as carefully packaged as any other major label product.

In my mind, that does not up the so called jail quotient.

Fine, we'll leave at that.

And if my post was drier than shit, I'm sorry if used some coherent thought and consideration. Based on some of the shit you've posted, I was giving you more credit than you deserve.

Gee. Thanks.

The IRS song sounds like something off a bad solo disc. There is no good catchy lead guitar riff.