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Wednesday, September 21, 2005

Moral poverty cost blacks in New Orleans

Posted: September 21, 2005

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Say a hurricane is about to destroy the city you live in. Two
questions:

What would you do?


What would you do if you were black?


Sadly, the two questions don't have the same answer.

To the first: Most of us would take our families out of that city
quickly to protect them from danger. Then, able-bodied men would
return
to help others in need, as wives and others cared for children,
elderly,
infirm and the like.

For better or worse, Hurricane Katrina has told us the answer to the
second question. If you're black and a hurricane is about to destroy
your city, you'll probably wait for the government to save you.

This was not always the case. Prior to 40 years ago, such a pathetic
performance by the black community in a time of crisis would have been
inconceivable. The first response would have come from black men.
They
would take care of their families, bring them to safety, and then help
the rest of the community. Then local government would come in.

No longer. When 75 percent of New Orleans residents had left the city,
it was primarily immoral, welfare-pampered blacks that stayed behind
and
waited for the government to bail them out. This, as we know, did not
turn out good results.

Enter Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan. Jackson and Farrakhan laid
blame on "racist" President Bush. Farrakhan actually proposed the idea
that the government blew up a levee so as to kill blacks and save
whites. The two demanded massive governmental spending to rebuild New
Orleans, above and beyond the federal government's proposed $60
billion.
Not only that, these two were positioning themselves as the gatekeepers
to supervise the dispersion of funds. Perfect: Two of the most
dishonest elite blacks in America, "overseeing" billions of dollars. I
wonder where that money will end up.

Of course, if these two were really serious about laying blame on
government, they should blame the local one. Responsibility to perform
legally and practically fell first on the mayor of New Orleans. We are
now all familiar with Mayor Ray Nagin the black Democrat who likes to
yell at President Bush for failing to do Nagin's job. The facts,
unfortunately, do not support Nagin's wailing. As the Washington
Times
puts it, "recent reports show [Nagin] failed to follow through on his
own city's emergency-response plan, which acknowledged that thousands
of
the city's poorest residents would have no way to evacuate the city."

One wonders how there was "no way" for these people to evacuate the
city. We have photographic evidence telling us otherwise. You've
probably seen it by now the photo showing 2,000 parked school buses,
unused and underwater. How much planning does it require to put people
on a bus and leave town, Mayor Nagin?


Instead of doing the obvious, Mayor Nagin (with no positive
contribution
from Democratic Gov. Kathleen Blanco, the other major leader vested
with
responsibility to address the hurricane disaster) loaded remaining New
Orleans residents into the Superdome and the city's convention center.
We know how that plan turned out.

About five years ago, in a debate before the National Association of
Black Journalists, I stated that if whites were to just leave the
United
States and let blacks run the country, they would turn America into a
ghetto within 10 years. The audience, shall we say, disagreed with me
strongly. Now I have to disagree with me. I gave blacks too much
credit. It took a mere three days for blacks to turn the Superdome and
the convention center into ghettos, rampant with theft, rape and
murder.


President Bush is not to blame for the rampant immorality of blacks.
Had New Orleans' black community taken action, most would have been out
of harm's way. But most were too lazy, immoral and trifling to do
anything productive for themselves.

All Americans must tell blacks this truth. It was blacks' moral
poverty
not their material poverty that cost them dearly in New Orleans.
Farrakhan, Jackson, and other race hustlers are to be repudiated for
they will only perpetuate this problem by stirring up hatred and
applauding moral corruption. New Orleans, to the extent it is to be
rebuilt, should be remade into a dependency-free, morally strong city
where corruption is opposed and success is applauded. Blacks are
obligated to help themselves and not depend on the government to care
for them. We are all obligated to tell them so.


The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson is founder and president of BOND, the
Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny, and author of "Scam: How the
Black Leadership Exploits Black America."

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Can you provide the source for this? I want to send this to quite a few other people.

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I agree with some points and disagree with others.


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Why can't people understand that Ray Nagin is a Republican in Democrat's clothing?

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Sent to me via long email chain. The guy's name is Rev. Jesse Lee Patterson.

Corey -- ALL Southern Dems are just the last vestige of a corrupt organization, their only saving race is they don't openly hate blacks...or they have figure out how to make money off the government by keeping them down ;)

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I understand that you, of all people, know this crisis and, in your own way, are working to address it. You, the madras-pantsed julip-sipping Southern cracker and me, the oldman hippie California fruit cake are brothers in the struggle to save our country.

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there is a sourece at the bottom of the article.

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Just another fun figure of the Christian Right blaming the poor instead of the failures of Dubya. No sir, I don't like this Patterson guy one bit.


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Sen.TheEPwasBetterLooGAR Wrote:

Then, able-bodied men would return to help others in need, as wives and others cared for children, elderly, infirm and the like.


Um... as if "able-bodied" women---"wives" and non-wives---who don't have kids would be helpless/useless to help.

edit: that sentence alone makes it clear where the author comes from politically.

Re: the source... the last paragraph lists Jesse Petersen's name, I guess as the author, but it does not actually give the source---i.e. where it was published.


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Sen.TheEPwasBetterLooGAR Wrote:
To the first: Most of us would take our families out of that city quickly to protect them from danger.


As if it's any different for anybody else. Yeah maybe 40 years ago we were all were more used to dealing with crisis on our own. But we're all a bunch of lazy sitting ducks these days... in need of outside help in a time of crisis.

Not to mention that the ability to 'take you family out of the city' is something that is a luxury of people with money.

Argh... must not read anymore of it... my head will explode...


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Sen.TheEPwasBetterLooGAR Wrote:
Most of us would take our families out of that city quickly to protect them from danger. Then, able-bodied men would return to help others in need, as wives and others cared for children, elderly, infirm and the like.

For better or worse, Hurricane Katrina has told us the answer to the
second question. If you're black and a hurricane is about to destroy
your city, you'll probably wait for the government to save you.


I agree with the point that too much blame and responsibility is directed to the federal government and not enough toward the local and state government, the communities and their people. I don't think its a race issue though.

One of the consequences of the growth of federal government has been the expectation that its the federal government's job to solve these problems and that we don't have our own responsibilities to our communities and ourselves to take a more active role in solving and preventing such problems. In effect, people think they've done their job by paying taxes and then sit back and wait on the government to fix things. Its really not that surprising that it doesn't work that well.


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There are so many issues that could be discussed from that article.

goodness. I must say, though, that I don't think any of the blame should rest on Bush because as far as evacuation goes it's not directly the federal government's responsibility to do so. This is why it is so important to recognize that the mayor of N.O. and governor of LA screwed up big time. They got lucky because everyone wanted to blame Bush. The federal government is giving massive amounts of money to rebuilding the place, as it should, but they should not be held responsible for the poor performance of the city and state's elected officials.

The following is a question: Is it not true that state government upon imminent threat of a natural disaster is really to ask/allow the federal government for help? Not ask permission for help as though the Fed. government has power over the state, rather, ask as in invite the federal government to help--in this case with evacuations and such. If this is true, is it not true also that LA did not ask for such help?


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The good Reverend doesn't really address the elderly, disabled, stubborn, mentally retarded, mentally ill, homeless and just plain broke people who stayed behind.

But that wouldn't fit his pat little moralizing much.

I agree the bus situation was a disgrace, but there certainly were more than just "immoral blacks" left in the city.

The blame goes from top to bottom and bottom to top. It doesn't rest just with Nagin or just with the Governor or just with FEMA. They all screwed up.


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frosted e. spoon Wrote:
The blame goes from top to bottom and bottom to top. It doesn't rest just with Nagin or just with the Governor or just with FEMA. They all screwed up.


ok. i like that.


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I don't think any of the blame should rest on Bush


Really? You don't think this would have turned out at least a little better under Bill Clinton/James Lee Witt? Not just the initial response, but the entire management of the situation to care for and move those trying to leave the city?

These natural disasters are simply too enormous for local/state governments to deal with alone. The federal government is not the only factor, but it is an essential factor in successfully managing these types of situations.


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Really? You don't think this would have turned out at least a little better under Bill Clinton/James Lee Witt? Not just the initial response, but the entire management of the situation to care for and move those trying to leave the city?

These natural disasters are simply too enormous for local/state governments to deal with alone. The federal government is not the only factor, but it is an essential factor in successfully managing these types of situations.



Specifically Bush, no. FEMA I can handle. It just is a bit silly to assume because FEMA didn't perform their duties the way they should have in light of the disaster that it's Bush's fault. Especially after the evidence that has been brought up that the coast guard told FEMA of a levee breach, yet the FEMA guy, whose name I have forgotten, didn't think it necessary to inform any of the people he was submissive to. And as for comparing, I am not sure that it would have been better with Clinton not because I disagree that it would have but because I don't know. I was a bit young--at least young to the point of not caring at all.

I agree that the local and state gov'ts would need the Fed govts help. But I believe, and I don't have a source handy for this, that the Governor refused intial help from the Fed Govt. that's why I asked that question up in my original. Because if the Fed govt just steps in then there would be crying about how the Fed govt is taking over, and then if it is true that the Governor refused initial help then that takes more blame off of Bush and Fema, in my eyes. I just don't remember if it is true.


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If you are looking for a link, Google the article name. I found this one:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=46440


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I'll agree with this: Farrakhan and Jackson are far more destructive in the battle to improve race relations than this article is. Many of the author's points are subjectively correct from my experience. The dependence on the government in my home state is not dependent on race, but statistics will surely bear out the problem.

Oh, yeah. Borg, you're an idiot. You have no idea about the reality of this situation. I believe you will take any opportunity that presents itself to bash our government and our economic system.

Race relations in my area over the past 20 years could be summed up as a continuing series of "one step forward and two steps back". The causes of this are too varied to explain.

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our government needs a lot of bashing these days.

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our government needs a lot of bashing these days.


Some targets are just easier than others.

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rparis74 Wrote:
our government needs a lot of bashing these days.


Some targets are just easier than others.


This is the damn truth.

The problem is that to feed their crazed and racist base, the Republicans are too hamfisted in their approach to "personal responsibility and lower taxes" whih is just code for "I don't want N****** getting any of my money."

That is why Clinton's 3rd way was so successful. Many of the crazed and racist base of the Democratic Party were pissed off at him, but it was a great issue to seize, and a good policy as well. It inoculated him from criticism on that front, and in many ways I just think it was the right thing to do....coupled with job training, day care and the like...

Which is why the Dems right now look so out of sorts. They need a "Sistah Souljah Moment" collectively and in a big way. Obama oughta get Bucky on Nagin. Or Blanco. And Bush. And Fema.

The problem is that many of who you would see as "Spokespersons" are not in a politically viable position to do so. Dudes like Byron Dorgan or The Gov. of Montana can't be seen as too far to the left. If DiFei or Dean says anything it's automatically "shrill and angry, with no plan for the future." Who can speak to the issues, who can do so in a logical, even handed manner? That is the REAL issue plaguing the Dems today.

The issue facing repubs is chickens coming home to roost, failure to adapt, and lack of any new ideas since 1964.

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to me the dems and repubs both look totally out of sorts. that governor of montana is a joke from what I saw on 60 minutes. his great energy solution - COAL! brilliant, jackass.

i could get behind obama but my in-laws and all their neighbors would rather vote for david duke than obama.

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