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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:11 am 
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I read about it in the Chronicle today. What do you think?

La la is a startup with a song in its heart. And it wants to share.

Music-swapping site hopes to offer legal alternative

Ellen Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer

Former Yahoo chief product officer Geoff Ralston's record collection ranges from Joni Mitchell to Jimmy Buffett, the Beach Boys to the B-52s. In the past few months, it's also expanded to popular but lesser-known groups such as Death Cab for Cutie, Fountains of Wayne and the New Pornographers.

"I've experienced more new music in the last six months than in the last 15 years," Ralston said.

That's because Ralston is on the board of La la, a Palo Alto startup that is introducing a site it believes offers a legal alternative to sharing music online. It's a virtual place where consumers can come together and trade their used CDs, much like going to a used-record store.

Part MySpace, Netflix, eBay and iTunes, La la incorporates pieces of each: Users list online the CDs they both want and have. In the process, they find others who share the same taste in music. Then, when one user requests a CD that another person owns, the owner drops it in the mail in a pre-paid envelope. The receiver is billed $1, plus 49 cents for shipping; the shipper pays nothing.

The service, which is still being tested, comes as the music industry continues to wrestle with declining CD sales and illegal file sharing on the Internet. Just last week, the Recording Industry Association of America filed another round of lawsuits, going after 750 people who it says stole music online.

In autumn, Sony created an uproar after customers found its CDs incorporated software meant to curtail excessive copying, but which opened their computers to spyware and viruses. Meanwhile, getting music online continues to grow, with the iTunes music store hitting its 1 billionth song download last month.

"There is a transition going on, from media that is hard plastic, that has weight to it, to all-digital media, where increasingly people are acquiring and listening to music without it being on a disc," said Ralston. "La la is taking advantage of both sides."

La la offers customers access to about 1.8 million albums, more than what's available on iTunes and at local retailers. It also seeks to create online communities of users who enjoy the same music, providing connections to people who have similar record collections.

"This is meant to be better than iTunes," co-founder Bill Nguyen said. "If Apple had done it better, then we wouldn't have built this."

La la avoids copyright issues because swapping used CDs is legal, while sharing copyrighted music online is not. For the $1 it charges a user to receive a CD, La la gives 20 cents to the artist.

For every CD a user ships, the user receives one in return. An internal algorithmic system -- that the founders liken to karma -- tracks how often a person sends a CD, if it's sent on time and if the CD is in good shape. Someone with "bad" karma will probably not receive a CD as quickly as someone with "good" karma. Sending burned CDs, a big no-no, could lead to getting kicked off the site.

La la can't, however, stop folks from receiving a CD, making a copy of it and then trading it again. That, in fact, is how about 30 percent of consumers get their music these days, according to the NPD Group, a market research firm in Port Washington, N.Y. A little more than 50 percent of consumers buy CDs, about 16 percent use illegal file-sharing networks and about 4 percent download music legally on services like iTunes.

"What's been a challenge for the industry is people swapping CDs and ripping and burning copies of them," said Russ Crupnick, an analyst with NPD Group. "It's a big piece of how people are acquiring music."

La la said it doesn't condone users doing this, but it could prove to be one of the company's challenges. "I don't see how the RIAA is going to like it, but they don't have a choice because it doesn't infringe on copyright," Ben Bajarin, an analyst with Creative Strategies.

Nguyen said the company has no plans to expand beyond music. Incidentally, another Silicon Valley startup, Menlo Park's Peerflix, uses a similar model to trade DVDs.

La la is backed by Bain Capital and Ignition Partners, which pumped $9 million into the company. It also landed Anselm Baird-Smith, a former eBay architect, as one of its co-founders. When Google got wind that Smith was up for grabs, it aggressively sought to woo him, even deploying Chief Executive Officer Eric Schmidt to make a personal call. EBay countered with an offer of its own. But Baird-Smith, who has two sisters and a brother who are professional musicians, opted to take a chance on La la.

"I didn't realize so many people loved me," he said. But "it's about music and about being good to the artist and me personally being able to bring something to La la."

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I tried to get into the pants of a chick named Lala back in '86 but she was so into freeing Nelson Mandela, piloting the Rainbow Warrior, saving Red China, waxing rhapsodic about The Peace Corp and coming on to African exchange students to reciprocate much.


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Users list online the CDs they both want and have. In the process, they find others who share the same taste in music. Then, when one user requests a CD that another person owns, the owner drops it in the mail in a pre-paid envelope. The receiver is billed $1, plus 49 cents for shipping; the shipper pays nothing.


Or, one can just simply ask someone for an YSI ...I don't see why Lala should make a dime off of people trading music with each other. It's like finding an intermediary to pay when you want to trade something that can and should be done for free.

Do auto manufacturers get "royalty fees" every time a used car is sold between private parties? Fack no they don't and neither should record companies when someone sells a used cd.

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south pacific Wrote:
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Users list online the CDs they both want and have. In the process, they find others who share the same taste in music. Then, when one user requests a CD that another person owns, the owner drops it in the mail in a pre-paid envelope. The receiver is billed $1, plus 49 cents for shipping; the shipper pays nothing.


Or, one can just simply ask someone for an YSI ...I don't see why Lala should make a dime off of people trading music with each other. It's like finding an intermediary to pay when you want to trade something that can and should be done for free.

Do auto manufacturers get "royalty fees" every time a used car is sold between private parties? Fack no they don't and neither should record companies when someone sells a used cd.


You pay for implied 'legality'. I agree, how is it any different than slsk or a usegroup that charges a fee.


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south pacific Wrote:
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Users list online the CDs they both want and have. In the process, they find others who share the same taste in music. Then, when one user requests a CD that another person owns, the owner drops it in the mail in a pre-paid envelope. The receiver is billed $1, plus 49 cents for shipping; the shipper pays nothing.


Or, one can just simply ask someone for an YSI ...I don't see why Lala should make a dime off of people trading music with each other. It's like finding an intermediary to pay when you want to trade something that can and should be done for free.

Do auto manufacturers get "royalty fees" every time a used car is sold between private parties? Fack no they don't and neither should record companies when someone sells a used cd.


You pay for implied 'legality'. I agree, how is it any different than slsk or a usegroup that charges a fee.


Well, actual legality. You're not paying for the legality of it, you're paying for the service of having used CDs available that you may not be able to find through friends, etc.

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I signed up for it but I think I might just delete my account. They sent me that first Arcade Fire cd but there's no case or artwork. I'll probably lose it within a week.

edit: apparently they now have the option to send cover art.

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that should be mandatory, as it's the main advantage it has over just doing it digitally.

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I just signed up for an invite to this. I'm not sure if I'll use it or not but I like the concept and they supposedly have a really good selection.

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shiv Wrote:
They sent me that first Arcade Fire cd but there's no case or artwork.


this album is also available via emusic w/o artwork

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paladisiac Wrote:
shiv Wrote:
They sent me that first Arcade Fire cd but there's no case or artwork.


this album is also available via emusic w/o artwork


i got it free.

i've also received gangstarr the ownerz and wu-tang's iron flag.

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I'm still waiting for my first 6 CDs (most were shipped early this week), but this will probably be my favorite website ever if everything works out as planned.

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I've wanted to sign up for this for a while, but I'm too paranoid about getting just the disc without a case or artwork. I might as well burn it if I'm only going to receive that.


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Lala is supposedly going to introduce a feature that will match up those who want the artwork/packaging with others who want (and offer) the same.

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