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I think Gale didn't run because he didn't expect them to dig up the grave. Ish is definitely right about his being afraid to leave.


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prepare ye for a lord-of-the-flies moment next episode when everyone tears into the food.

i'm pumped next episode is a hurley episode.

henry is supposed to make you wanna sympathize with him. he is trouble, he's an other, the others are psycho psychologists, thus henry is a psychologist and he's messing with peoples' minds, including locke's. locke is damaged goods and will believe and support henry no matter what now but henry is an other and sayid is gonna get all whack-a-mold on him now.


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oh and the map confirms that an accident did in fact happen. also, are those other rooms or other hatches, you think? locke is gonna go lose hisself now. what if "i am here" is not a "you are here" but somebody is actually out there and needs finding?


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henry is supposed to make you wanna sympathize with him. he is trouble, he's an other, the others are psycho psychologists, thus henry is a psychologist and he's messing with peoples' minds, including locke's. locke is damaged goods and will believe and support henry no matter what now but henry is an other and sayid is gonna get all whack-a-mold on him now.



I agree completely. Locke's character traits are very balanced on a knife's edge. I can see him backing Henry no matter how true the alegations. What will be interesting, is how the rest of the survivors will feel knowing that Gale potentially saved Locke's life, yet he is an Other.

We keep seeing Locke at an age where the formative years are behind him, yet what these shows depict must have been influenced farther back than we see. What made him so trusting or not trusting before the run in with his dad/kidney? He is screwed-up.... I like his character though, and would miss it.

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I also wondered whether Gale actually made it to the computer. All of the noises you heard were the same ones that sounded when the clock hit 0 a couple episodes ago.

I wondered that too. For someone who just learned a bunch of numbers, he was awful quick to enter them with no questions. Most people, I think, would have been yelling out "4, right?! 8? What's next?" Even Locke had a hard time typing those in under pressure once before. I think "Gale" knew what was going on and was humoring Locke because knew the doors would come up without his intervention.

Also relating to this, anyone else think that "Gale" pretended to be knocked out when he fell? That seemed like a stall tactic to me. And when he finally did go up in the air vent, did it seem to anyone else like he simply went up in there and just waited? You'd think if he was really moving through an air vent we'd hear rustling and thumping from his movements. Instead, it was silent.

Another thought: is it possible that when the clock hit zero a few eps back, that this food-drop was what was set in motion and it took a few days to happen?

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well, it was hardly silent - the alarm was going off, the doomsday machine was starting up, and locke was yelling.


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I LOVE HOW THIS SHOW IS CONFUSING THE SHIT OUT OF ME MORE AND MORE EACH TIME. i was going insane after the ending of the show.

apparently i heard on a radio interview with the actor who plays locke, and he said that they will be elaborating more on michael & walt in a few episodes... hopefully because i'm wondering what the hell happened to walt.

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Another thought: is it possible that when the clock hit zero a few eps back, that this food-drop was what was set in motion and it took a few days to happen?


This would have pretty funny implications - they're trained to keep pressing the button to "stay alive" but in fact are starving themselves... that would be in keeping with a "scientific experiment" theory. Sort of a reverse hamster-food-button tactic. But if they decide to stop pressing it, they get a huge net of food every 108 minutes? I dunno...


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Another thought: is it possible that when the clock hit zero a few eps back, that this food-drop was what was set in motion and it took a few days to happen?


that would be in keeping with a "scientific experiment" theory.


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i don't know what that means!


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i don't know what that means!


exactly

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The Mayor of Simpleton Wrote:
HaqDiesel Wrote:
I also wondered whether Gale actually made it to the computer. All of the noises you heard were the same ones that sounded when the clock hit 0 a couple episodes ago.

I wondered that too. For someone who just learned a bunch of numbers, he was awful quick to enter them with no questions. Most people, I think, would have been yelling out "4, right?! 8? What's next?" Even Locke had a hard time typing those in under pressure once before. I think "Gale" knew what was going on and was humoring Locke because knew the doors would come up without his intervention.

Also relating to this, anyone else think that "Gale" pretended to be knocked out when he fell? That seemed like a stall tactic to me. And when he finally did go up in the air vent, did it seem to anyone else like he simply went up in there and just waited? You'd think if he was really moving through an air vent we'd hear rustling and thumping from his movements. Instead, it was silent.

Another thought: is it possible that when the clock hit zero a few eps back, that this food-drop was what was set in motion and it took a few days to happen?


This is what I was implying earlier that Gale was deceptive throughout the whole clock scene as well. He looked like he was playing possum when he fell and was clearly lying to Locke when he was relaying back about what he did to punch in the numbers. He never left Locke but probably because he's scared of The Others and not for any noble loyalty to the man who let him out. I think this will, hopefully, be clear to Locke soon.

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DumpJack Wrote:
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HaqDiesel Wrote:
I also wondered whether Gale actually made it to the computer. All of the noises you heard were the same ones that sounded when the clock hit 0 a couple episodes ago.

I wondered that too. For someone who just learned a bunch of numbers, he was awful quick to enter them with no questions. Most people, I think, would have been yelling out "4, right?! 8? What's next?" Even Locke had a hard time typing those in under pressure once before. I think "Gale" knew what was going on and was humoring Locke because knew the doors would come up without his intervention.

Also relating to this, anyone else think that "Gale" pretended to be knocked out when he fell? That seemed like a stall tactic to me. And when he finally did go up in the air vent, did it seem to anyone else like he simply went up in there and just waited? You'd think if he was really moving through an air vent we'd hear rustling and thumping from his movements. Instead, it was silent.

Another thought: is it possible that when the clock hit zero a few eps back, that this food-drop was what was set in motion and it took a few days to happen?


This is what I was implying earlier that Gale was deceptive throughout the whole clock scene as well. He looked like he was playing possum when he fell and was clearly lying to Locke when he was relaying back about what he did to punch in the numbers. He never left Locke but probably because he's scared of The Others and not for any noble loyalty to the man who let him out. I think this will, hopefully, be clear to Locke soon.


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well, it was hardly silent - the alarm was going off, the doomsday machine was starting up, and locke was yelling.

I meant his traverse through the vent and his typing on the computer. If we can hear the numbers flipping over, we could surely have heard the keys being frantically typed in. Maybe "Gale" knew what was on the door and wanted Locke to see it.

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HOW LONG WAS I OUT?


I didn't buy that at all.

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i understand the skepticism about gale's downtime, particularly since he didn't appear to hit his head all that hard, but on the other hand he didn't have any really compelling motivation to play pretend. was just making locke sweat a little longer really going to make him that much more grateful than he would have been if gale just crawled straight through and pressed the button? if gale made the blacklight come on and the doors open up, there was no reason to delay - he could give locke even more time to look by getting straight in but pretending he got lost in the vents. also, he had no idea when jack would come back, and playing dead raised the risk that jack or someone else would come back and thwart every one of those objectives.


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HaqDiesel Wrote:
i understand the skepticism about gale's downtime, particularly since he didn't appear to hit his head all that hard, but on the other hand he didn't have any really compelling motivation to play pretend. was just making locke sweat a little longer really going to make him that much more grateful than he would have been if gale just crawled straight through and pressed the button? if gale made the blacklight come on and the doors open up, there was no reason to delay - he could give locke even more time to look by getting straight in but pretending he got lost in the vents. also, he had no idea when jack would come back, and playing dead raised the risk that jack or someone else would come back and thwart every one of those objectives.


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What we need to look at is how did Rousseau catch Gale? In some sort of net, right? So that means he walked into her trap, and she came by later and found him in it. It's not like she saw him and shot him and grabbed him. If he walked into a trap and was pulled up into a net, why did he remain there? You'd think the Others would have cut him down. Which means he must have been out by himself at the time. With the Others' knowledge that there's close to fifty strangers on this island, with guns, with a grudge, would any of them risk going out on their own for extended periods?

I think Gale was trying to escape from them. Why? No clue. But he clearly knew the numbers before Locke told them to him because he repeated them back immediately.

But, fuck, we really have no idea how much the Others know about anything. If the Others knew about the hatch and wanted into it, you'd think they could have a long time ago when it was just Desmond in there by himself. The button must really need to be pushed every 108 minutes. Which is why they let him stay in there by himself. So he could do it for them. If that's the case, maybe Gale did push the button. Just because he knew better than not to.


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Filmfodder Lost Blog analysis for "Lockdown" episode (entertaining as always):

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i think the button is all part of whatever experiment they are doing.
skinner and all.

you are told to push the button, but then when you don't you get a pellet.

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Get ready to grumble . . . the schedule for the rest of the season:

April 5
April 12

BREAK. DAMMIT!

May 3
May 10
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May 24 (two hour season finale)

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The counter was reset when the door lifted up. Gale entered the numbers, just as he said he did.

I don't think he's an outcast or anything. He's a spy. However, he might be in trouble now that his cover's blown.

Does anyone remember when Desmond told the story about he got involved with the hatch? He said some guy found him on the island and showed him the video and they pressed the button together for a while. Did he say the other guy died, or disappeared?


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"Final resting place of Mangus Hanso / Blackrock"

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how could anyone possible transcribe that much of the map?



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We keep seeing Locke at an age where the formative years are behind him, yet what these shows depict must have been influenced farther back than we see. What made him so trusting or not trusting before the run in with his dad/kidney? He is screwed-up.... I like his character though, and would miss it.


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