Why Wade Boggs should be in the Hall Of Fame

Why Wade Boggs should not be in the Hall Of Fame

Absolutely he should. One of the most consistant hitters of his era.

Meanwhile, the screwing continues for Bert Blyleven, Andre Dawson, Tommy John, and Goose Gossage and/or Bruce Sutter (I would induct the latter, over the former... never the former, in fact).

Plus, if Santo should get inducted, it should be done before he's dead.

Why Sutter and not Goose? Just wondering.

I'll get back to you on this... Too much Champagne of Beers in me now, though. Can't... think... when... I... drink.

The anti-Boggs piece should have ended with "and the twit's probably going in as a Yankee. Friggin' traitor."

I'm happy for Boggs, but I'm really meh on the deserving issue. Would like to see Dawson get in eventually. A class with Sutter and Goose in the same year would be great as well.

Sutter gets a slight edge because he was the first of the true one inning closers (basically a three out specialist). And because he popularized the use of the split fingered fastball by relievers (even though it had been used for years, people were fscinated; "look its the split-finger. Zoink!") And he had a really cool beard.

My question is: Why is there not more love for Lee Smith? Dude is the all time saves leader.

I'll refer to my post in the other HOF thread.

I remember when Boggs reached 3K hits, and saying something about him "not deserving" 3000. Kind of like, eh, he hung on long enough, but damn.

I think he's a Hall of Famer, just because of 3000, but if he were in the 2750-2999 range, he wouldn't make it.

From a baseball standpoint, I think he definitely does...7 straight years of over 200 hits, .328 lifetime average. It's in the upper echelon of those who made the HOF before him.

On a personal note, back in 1986, Boggs and Don Mattingly were heading into the final four games of the season neck and neck for the batting title. Boston had already locked up the east, but Boggs was bothered with a sore hamstring. The NY papers had worked out the mathmatics on what each guy would have to do in the last 4 games for Mattingly to overtake Boggs and win the batting title...

I think Boggs had to bat .285 or less and Mattingly had to bat at least .475 over the last four games to win the title.

Boggs wound up sitting out that weekend. He decided to rest up for the playoffs...Not a totally stupid idea.....But, numberous accounbts from the Boston locker room went on record anonymously that Boggs had told them that he could have played those 4 games, and wa ssitting out to make it nearly impossible for Mattingly to catch up and win....

So Mattingly wound up batting close to .450 that weekend I believe and wound up losing the batting title by a few points....

When he came to the Yankees in 1993, Boggs became the first Yankee player in my lifetime I didnt support. I flat out refused to root for him in any situation. All he did was express how he was happy to be with the Yanks, and wanted to be a team player, and yadda yadda yadda.. Ooh I wanna win a ring with the Yankees and not the RedSox. yadda yadda yadda......The Yankees got him his ring in 1996....I nearly threw up my liver watching him ride around Yankee stadium on a police horse after they had won the Series. It was all team team team from him.

1997 became a different story all together....The real Boggs came out....The player escapes me who was gonna battle Boggs for playing time at 3rd base. Boggs had clearly been starting to decline due to age and injury, and the Yanks were starting to explore the next generation of 3rd baseman. All of 1997, all he did was bitch and complain about playing time and how he was gonna sign the following year with a team that would give him a full time job and appreciate him.

Fuck him. The he signs with e Devil Rays and says he is going into the Hall of Fame in a Tampa Bay cap, cause secretly they promised him a lifetime coaching job and some money....which then provoked major leagues baseball officials (along with the dave winfield padre , fuck him too, but thats for another thread) to not allow the players to determine which cap gets immortalized.

So personally, Fuck Wade Boggs. fuck him in his stupid ass......and thats my opinion on that.

Chicken-Eater.

That's what we call kids who wear uniforms, but never get to play. They just cause us to have to do more laundry. That's what I think of Boggs.

Hell, the guy has a surgery named after him. I don't know which is cooler, being in the hall or this!

there shouldn't even be a discussion. i hate the man for skipping town for his title and i am glad that he is almost certain to wear a red sox hat on his plaque because he has been outspoken about not wanting to. however...

the man hit over .350 in the 80s. that's unreal. he had the second highest decade long batting average to teddy ballgame. also, he was absolutely impossible to strike out. the dude had a full season where he popped up a total of 2 times.

i think it's easy to forget how good he was because singles hitters aren't as memorable. the guy was as good as ichiro is now, but sustained it for his entire career. hitting safely in 135 games in a single season is absurd. i would like to see ichiro break that record. it will never happen.

no contest. a player with as much talent and as many good numbers that boggs put up should be in the hall. the HOF will put in anyone that good no matter what (exception: players who have been banned).

to say that he "hung in there" and "limped" across is also a bit of skewered information. Boggs got 3010 hits in 18 years, the fewest amount of seasons played for any 3K hitter (well, tied with Roberto Clemente). It took Al Kaline 22 years and 400 more games to get 3007 hits and no one is shitting on his plaque.

also, he was a great 3rd baseman.

Boggs' All-Time Rankings:
Hits = 23rd
Runs = 55th
Doubles = 15th
Average = 30th
RBI = 227th
Homers = not even enough to rank

Murphy's All-Time Rankings:
Hits = 183rd
Runs = 150th
Doubles = 216th
Average = not even enough to rank
RBI - 100th
Homers = 41st

Eat me bort.

Murphy owns.

Like I said before the Hall is so fucking subjective. Since Boggs stuck around longer and ended up with more at bats he has better numbers in SOME catagories.

Some voters have the criteria that you need to be a dominant player in your era not just longevity. Granted Boggs was one of the top 1-3 third basemen in his era but Murphy had the most hits, runs, and RBI's in the 80's and was a back to back MVP. I think that is dominating your era.

My point is that Boggs can sail through on the first ballot and Murphy will NEVER get in and didn't even come close. bullshit.

The Veterans Committee will put Murph (and Dawson for that matter) in eventually and at the 2013 UGA/Auburn game we'll have a high five on it.

Arguing Boggs' place here is silly as he was a no-brainer. Sandberg getting in is a flat-out joke. Especially over Hawk and Sutter.

And, Al Kaline has a battery and band named after him. But he's still in the Hall.

Agreed.



Best player at his position in his era. Revolutionized second basman as an offensive position paving the way for guys like Robbie Alomar. And I'm not even one of the Chicogans.[/quote]

Ding!

sandberg did not get in for his offense. he got in for his 990 fielding percentage and 9 gold gloves. also, that era in baseball is not so impressive.

the hawk will get in. murphy may or may not get in but is not in boggs' league. jim rice belongs.

final word on boggs: numbers aside, the reason that boggs is one of the best players in the history of the game is that he was the toughest out in baseball for 10 years, and the best 2 strike hitter ever. i remember when i was a kid, he said in an interview that his favorite count to hit in was 2-2. think about that. what hitter would say that today? the only player like him before or since is ichiro, and if ichiro continues to play like he can, he's a sure thing hof'er too.

I have somewhat an issue with this as Ryne came up as a shortstop and played third as well before being moved to second. He wasn't a 'real' second baseman... only moved there later when Dunston came about. I know you're not a cub fan but a lot of my friends that are make this same argument and I just don't buy it.

He had decent power for playing in Wrigley which made his offensive numbers look great over a long career. Throw him in another ballpark and his numbers take a severe hit. The guy never dove for a ball in his life and never played balls out like a Derek Jeter for instance.

Do I sound like the Sox fan I am? It's not about that... I just can't believe this guy is a HOFer.

Eat you Bloor!

I like Murphy, he was great. He's just not all-time great. And, even if you consider his "era" of greatness (1980-1989), he was great, but not as good as others...if you could refer me to the records that show him leading the majors in hits, runs, and rbis i'd like to see it. here's what i can up with...

Murphy's total hits from 1980-1989 (10 seasons) = 1553
Boggs' total hits from 1982-1989 (8 seasons) = 1597

Murphy's total runs from 1980-1989 = 938
Rickey Henderson's total runs from 1980-1989 = 1122

Murphy's total rbis from 1980-1989 = 929
Eddie Murray's total rbis from 1980-1989 = 996

While i suppose there are some negative things to be said about players who "hang around", there are also some positive things to be said about players with consistency and longevity. Murphy did dominate, but without consistency or longevity, his "dominant era" really was only from 82-87. A guy who ranks in the top 10 for a bunch of offensive categories for 6 seasons is awesome, but not necessarily worthy of the hall of legends.

Hell yeah.


Maybe because he played for a lot of teams throughout his career, probably hung around a little longer than he should of too.

[quote="Odds Bodkins]The guy was never in a single American Express commercial or went all playboy with his balls out like Derek Jeter for instance... I just can't believe people would think Boggs is a HOFer and not Sandberg.[/quote]


Since Boggs is in the Hall of Fame, might as well let Albert Belle in too - that way we can stick them next to Ty Cobb and complete the "Three Pillars of Assholes" exibit in the HOF sooner rather than later, as Barry Bonds is still playing and I don't think Rickey Henderson has retired quite yet...