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Haven't even read the article and my answer's no.


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Even looking at how hair-metal bands like Motley Crue and Megadeth covered punk songs



Megadeth is not hair metal.

And the answer to this topic is no.

I vote against Pavement too. S&E was released in 1992 so you can count that album out. So you have one really good album (Crooked Rain) and 2 others that are merely okay (Brighten The Corners*, Terror Twilight). I've never heard Wowee Zowee so I can't really comment on it.

* = even though this is my favorite Pavement album.

I'd go with Radiohead. 3 Great albums in a row (The Bends, OKC, Kid A) one really good one (Amnesiac), and one merely okay album (Hail To The Thief).

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

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Megadeth is not hair metal.

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Megadeth is not hair metal.

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Oops.


Not that they're like my favorite band or anything but I think they were more lumped in with thrash/speed metal than anything else.

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The answer is The Clash. Thanks for playing.


Blew their load by '79. Try again.


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shiv Wrote:

And the answer to this topic is no.

I vote against Pavement too. S&E was released in 1992 so you can count that album out. So you have one really good album (Crooked Rain) and 2 others that are merely okay (Brighten The Corners*, Terror Twilight). I've never heard Wowee Zowee so I can't really comment on it.


I do think it compares because he said ten years and the article was last year sometime. WZ is an amazing album number three, IMO. S+E was 1992 with Maladroit being 2002 so still a 10 year block, he is also throwing it away with 2001’s album anyways. So really he is looking at the 1990 and has everyone forgotten how big and influential Oasis are? Pavement also seem to have an influence on Weezer themselves.

I knew you guys would be able to put into words what I was trying to say. Whiney and Mike really bring it all home. It doesn’t have to do with popularity or even album sales. It has to do with relevance and what band(s) are the most important, his wording. If this argument happened in 1990, before Nirvana, and asked this question people might say Def Leppard, ZZ Top, Bryan Adams, Police or xyz metal group. When in actuality it was the Smiths, the Cure, Talking Heads, Elvis C, Pixies, Dinosaur Jr and so on.

You could also say that Travis has had a huge impact as well. Good Feeling was half mellow but could be responsible for Coldplay, Embrace, Lowgold, Snow Patrol, Leaves, Keane, with 13 Senses coming to you very soon and so many more.

VU are often sited as one of the most important bands of all time yet Nico has sold only 300,000 copies.

From Rolling Stone Top 500 Albums Of All Time, with Pinkerton not even listed while CRCR was (#210): "(#134)Pavement were the quintessential American independent rock band, and this is the quintessential indie-rock album. The playing is loose-limbed, the production laid-back and primitive, the lyrics quirky and playful, the melodies sweet and seductive. But the sound is as intense as the white noise of the Velvet Underground. Slanted and Enchanted is one of the most influential rock albums of the 1990s; its fuzzy recording style can be heard in the music of Nirvana, Liz Phair, Beck, the Strokes and the White Stripes."

"(#297)When it came out, Weezer's debut was merely a cool, quirky power-pop album with a couple of hit singles: "Buddy Holly" and "Undone (The Sweater Song)." But Rivers Cuomo's band became a major influence on young sad-sack punkers who today claim Weezer as one of emo's pioneers."


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shiv Wrote:
WhineyCMJ Wrote:
shiv Wrote:

Megadeth is not hair metal.

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Oops.


Not that they're like my favorite band or anything but I think they were more lumped in with thrash/speed metal than anything else.


No, you're right. I just wrote that out in a flurry.

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The answer is The Clash. Thanks for playing.


Blew their load by '79. Try again.


Even so, were talking influence ON the bands in the 80s. Actually time of recordings is irrelevant.

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And the answer to this topic is no.

I vote against Pavement too. S&E was released in 1992 so you can count that album out. So you have one really good album (Crooked Rain) and 2 others that are merely okay (Brighten The Corners*, Terror Twilight). I've never heard Wowee Zowee so I can't really comment on it.


I do think it compares because he said ten years and the article was last year sometime. WZ is an amazing album number three, IMO. S+E was 1992 with Maladroit being 2002 so still a 10 year block, he is also throwing it away with 2001’s album anyways. So really he is looking at the 1990 and has everyone forgotten how big and influential Oasis are? Pavement also seem to have an influence on Weezer themselves.



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Ten years ago today — on October 25, 1994


He said last 10 years, not the 1990's. Someone needs a Fisher Price My First Calendar.

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If this argument happened in 1990, before Nirvana, and asked this question people might say Def Leppard, ZZ Top, Bryan Adams, Police or xyz metal group. When in actuality it was the Smiths, the Cure, Talking Heads, Elvis C, Pixies, Dinosaur Jr and so on.


That's according to you. Who's to say that some other bands weren't influenced by the former instead of the latter bands?

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You could also say that Travis has had a huge impact as well. Good Feeling was half mellow but could be responsible for Coldplay, Embrace, Lowgold, Snow Patrol, Leaves, Keane, with 13 Senses coming to you very soon and so many more.


Are you kidding? If Travis is an influential band, then that invalidates the point you were trying to make in that previous quote. While Travis are an okay band I certainly wouldn't put them in the same class as Radiohead or Pavement.

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He said last 10 years, not the 1990's. Someone needs a Fisher Price My First Calendar.


You are right no argument but the time frame is so close and over lap that I feel it’s very fair. He only used that date because it was the 10th anniversary of Blue, no other reason.

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That's according to you. Who's to say that some other bands weren't influenced by the former instead of the latter bands?


I’m sure sometimes you are right. The thing I was trying to illustrate was looking at that snap shot in time vs. actual importance. Sure they influenced some bands but the bands that last, get discovered and name checked aren’t always the huge bands of the day. More important is the key.

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Are you kidding? If Travis is an influential band, then that invalidates the point you were trying to make in that previous quote. While Travis are an okay band I certainly wouldn't put them in the same class as Radiohead or Pavement.


YES, there is no way I believe in that statement but threw it out there. Starsailor recorded with Phil Spector, who hasn’t touched a band in 30 years. That style of music is pretty damn big at the moment, and too new to see if it really goes anywhere. Coldplay could become the biggest band in the world this year, who knows?

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My theory is that, sooner or later, everybody in the world will be in Oasis.
Or at least in the UK.


Snort! I could put paid to that theory right now.


I think an argument could be made Oasis is the most important band of the last ten years. Moreso, though, Stone Temple Pilots.

I said it, then. So, there. Don't hate.

It's STP.


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Starsailor recorded with Phil Spector, who hasn’t touched a band in 30 years. That style of music is pretty damn big at the moment, and too new to see if it really goes anywhere. Coldplay could become the biggest band in the world this year, who knows?


Phil Spector is also on trial for the murder of Lana Clarkson so I don't think he's making the most sound judgements right now.


All those bands are just copying Oasis & Radiohead anyways.

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