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but among Hispanics, births added more to the population growth than immigrants did this decade.

Of U.S. Children Under 5, Nearly Half Are Minorities
Hispanic Growth Fuels Rise, Census Says
By D'Vera Cohn and Tara Bahrampour
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, May 10, 2006; Page A01

Nearly half of the nation's children under 5 are racial or ethnic minorities, and the percentage is increasing mainly because the Hispanic population is growing so rapidly, according to a census report released today.

Hispanics are the nation's largest and fastest-growing minority group. They accounted for 49 percent of the country's growth from 2004 to 2005, the report shows. And the increase in young children is largely a Hispanic story, driving 70 percent of the growth in children younger than 5. Forty-five percent of U.S. children younger than 5 are minorities.


The new numbers offer a preview of demographic shifts to come, with broad implications for the nation's schools, workforce and Social Security.

One in three Americans is now a member of a minority group, a share that is bound to rise, because the non-Hispanic white population is older and growing much more slowly. The country already is engaged in a national debate about how government should respond to growing immigration, legal and illegal.

In some parts of the country, the transformation is more visible than in others. Large swaths of the upper Midwest are still mainly non-Hispanic white. But minorities are a majority of children younger than 5 in the Washington area, according to previously released census numbers. That is also true in Miami, Houston, Los Angeles and other high-immigration regions.

William H. Frey, a demographer with the Brookings Institution, predicted that the United States will have "a multicultural population that will probably be more tolerant, accommodating to other races and more able to succeed in a global economy."

There could be increased competition for money and power, he added: "The older, predominantly white baby-boom generations will need to accommodate younger, multiethnic young adults and child populations in civic life, political decisions and sharing of government resources" in places such as the Washington suburbs.

In some suburban communities, government officials face a cultural generation gap as they weigh demands from older white residents for senior citizen centers, transportation and other aid against requests from younger, mainly minority residents for translation assistance, preschools and other services.

Experts say immigrant families are becoming more concerned with the quality of their children's early education, aware that it can affect their future academic success. That is one reason there is a waiting list at the Child and Family Network Centers, a preschool in Alexandria.

The centers, which also operate a preschool in Arlington, provide free and subsidized preschools for about 200 children from low-income families. They serve many immigrants, including those who don't qualify for other programs. The waiting list is 150 children long. Eight out 10 speak English as a second language, and 70 percent are Latino.

"Oh, here's the chrysalis," said teacher Maria Cruz, pointing to a picture in a book as 4- and 5-year-olds crowded around her for story time yesterday. "Every day, the chrysalis looks the same -- we can't see anything happening, but inside, something is happening."

Emely Lopez, 5, raised her hand and pointed to a real butterfly cocoon in a container by the window. "Hay una alli" -- there's one there -- she said in Spanish, pointing at it. Cruz nodded

Yes," she replied in English, "it's the same thing we have happening here."

In the next room, bilingual signs displayed the English and Spanish words for "computer," "rest time" and "snack." Across the hall, a group of children sang a song in Spanish.

Cruz said she has seen a huge difference in children's abilities from when they start the program and when they move on to kindergarten. She pointed at a 5-year-old girl from Mexico who was prattling about butterflies in English: Last year, Cruz said, "she came with zero English -- zero."

William O'Hare, a senior fellow at the Annie E. Casey Foundation, said he is not sure the country is prepared to provide the extra help that immigrants' children often need to become well-educated workers and the future supporters of retirement programs for a predominantly white elderly population. Some Americans, he said, will not welcome the news that minorities are nearly the majority among young children.

"Part of the people will see this and say, 'Gee, these kids are really our future parents and workers, and we need to take care of them,' " O'Hare said. "The other would say it is time to send them all home."

The census figures show that the number of Hispanic and Asian children younger than 5 grew by double-digit percentages since 2000. The number of black children grew more slowly. The number of non-Hispanic white children younger than 5 declined for two years this decade before increasing again.

The nation's Asian population growth still is dominated by immigration, the census report shows, but among Hispanics, births added more to the population growth than immigrants did this decade.

That means the growth trend among the youngest Hispanics "is only going to accelerate under almost any scenario you can think about, even without immigration," said demographer Jeffrey S. Passel of the Pew Hispanic Center. "As the children age, they are the ones who in 20 years will be having children."

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This is what I've been saying all along. Hispanics seemingly tend to marry young and starting kicking out young'uns at like 18 or 19.


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well they are catholic

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So we can look forward to a round of hispanic Republican right-winger bible thumpers round about 2025.

Because they have to always be, regardless of ethnicity.


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Senator Smebopolis LooGAR Wrote:
They've already won:

My pullout quote, added for emphasis:
but among Hispanics, births added more to the population growth than immigrants did this decade.

Of U.S. Children Under 5, Nearly Half Are Minorities


Welcoming the uneducated and ignorant to the U.S., one day at a time.


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we birth about 100x more right here than come over the border.

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we birth about 100x more right here than come over the border.


yeah, because we've welcomed them with open arms. why not come over here and have 10 babies per family on $25,000 salary.

it just makes sense, ya know.


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i mean natives.

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why is it so troublesome that hispanics could be a majority in this country?
so what.? why do you care? what's going to happen?
what are you afraid of?


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why is it so troublesome that hispanics could be a majority in this country?
so what.? why do you care? what's going to happen?
what are you afraid of?


i'm afraid of gaining too much weight eating the SLAMMIN' fajitas at my local taco joint.

them be good.


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why is it so troublesome that hispanics could be a majority in this country?
so what.? why do you care? what's going to happen?
what are you afraid of?


No shit.

Let's not forget, we've already forcibly taken their land on several occasions. Who's the illegal immigrant now, Pilgrim?

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i'm afraid of gaining too much weight eating the SLAMMIN' fajitas at my local taco joint.


no shit. tastes way better than that irsh and english spooge.


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ayah Wrote:
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i'm afraid of gaining too much weight eating the SLAMMIN' fajitas at my local taco joint.


no shit. tastes way better than that irsh and english spooge.


no question.

if the place by me went out of business (which it never will), i might consider moving.

it's the only thing keeping me in West Palm Beach.


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dalen, do you get any good cuban food where you live?
i got some sorry ass mexican here. verrrry shabby.
i have to go to nyc or chicago if i want anything decent.

i'll be in arizona in a few weeks and i'm gonna eat like a pig.


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Welcoming the uneducated and ignorant to the U.S., one day at a time.


See you say these things. Yeah you do. Don't deny it, Florida Whitey. This here's what they call The Evidence.

I 'spect t'see you an' Cracker Merritt shackin up soon.


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fROSTED Wrote:
Dalen Wrote:
Welcoming the uneducated and ignorant to the U.S., one day at a time.


See you say these things. Yeah you do. Don't deny it, Florida Whitey. This here's what they call The Evidence.

I 'spect t'see you an' Cracker Merritt shackin up soon.


yeah, i say it, i don't hide behind some bullshit facade and act like "oh, everythings cool."

and if you're as ignorant as i think you are, you'll consider comments like that "racist"

not surprising.


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dalen, do you get any good cuban food where you live?
i got some sorry ass mexican here. verrrry shabby.
i have to go to nyc or chicago if i want anything decent.

i'll be in arizona in a few weeks and i'm gonna eat like a pig.


shit, i live in the tri-county area (miami, broward, palm beach), which means there's a HUGE cuban population. there are some excellent spots, Don Ramon's being my favorite. cooked by cuban's, the way it should be. just up the road (less than 1 mile) is a 24 hour cuban joint Havana, serving media noche and cocaine-strong coffee, perfect for late night recovery.

some authentic mexican should be on offering in arizona!


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Dalen Wrote:
Welcoming the uneducated and ignorant to the U.S., one day at a time.


who are these people you're talking about?
i'm not getting into i know a lot of mexicans blah, blah cuz that's fruitless.
first off ignorance and under education are 2 different things and they run across racial lines.

fer real.
i really don't get what you--or anyone-- think is going to happen in this country if caucasians are not in the majority?
anybody??


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There should probably be a dilineation between the acknowledgment of racially fueled problems in our country and the use of phrases like "ignorant little monkies." Is all I'm saying.

Wrapping your self up in "awareness" doesn't make you one whit smarter about the dumbass things you type about non-whites.


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Wrapping your self up in "awareness" doesn't make you one whit smarter about the dumbass things you type about non-whites.


you're right. i'm sorry.
good night.
i still want some huevos con chorizo.


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ayah Wrote:
Dalen Wrote:
Welcoming the uneducated and ignorant to the U.S., one day at a time.


who are these people you're talking about?
i'm not getting into i know a lot of mexicans blah, blah cuz that's fruitless.
first off ignorance and under education are 2 different things and they run across racial lines.

fer real.
i really don't get what you--or anyone-- think is going to happen in this country if caucasians are not in the majority?
anybody??


who are they? the thousands of minorities that are filling classrooms, hospitals, and jails. those that are uneducated, and ignorant, not understanding that it's a bad move to have a shitload of children when you're a low income family. those that resort to crime because they can't support their families. and there are A LOT of them.

yeah, you can put the blinders on and think that these people don't exist, but i'd rather call it like it is.


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There should probably be a dilineation between the acknowledgment of racially fueled problems in our country and the use of phrases like "ignorant little monkies." Is all I'm saying.

Wrapping your self up in "awareness" doesn't make you one whit smarter about the dumbass things you type about non-whites.


dumbass = reality

and it's a bitch move to call racist everytime someone disagrees with your bullshit comments. i could easily resort to calling you a child molester when i disagree with you, but i don't.

sucks that you've never had the chance to experience it, living in a "white community" your entire life.

yeah, you're exposed.

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who are they? the thousands of minorities that are filling classrooms, hospitals, and jails. those that are uneducated, and ignorant, not understanding that it's a bad move to have a shitload of children when you're a low income family. those that resort to crime because they can't support their families. and there are A LOT of them.

yeah, you can put the blinders on and think that these people don't exist, but i'd rather call it like it is.


i don't have blinders on. i just see it in a broader frame. i see plenty of whites in prison (my brother and cousins to start with), on welfare and unemployment. and there's no rule that says you have to have x amount of money to have x amount of children and maybe if the catholic church would move into at least the 20th century some fronts could be made in terms of birth control. oh yeah and let's not forget the white dude we call president. real supportive.

he and fox have it all worked out. mexico is an oligarchy and both fox and bush want to keep it that way. both could give a shit about working people.

i mean, we could go around and around on all of the details and i'm sure find a few things to agree on but i just don't get the fingerpointing at a specific people.

what it comes down to is that white people think they're gonna get killed in their sleep by minorities. i'm ignorant enough to think this fear, as silly as it is, exists.
<<<knows this is an exageration, but so what?


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who are they? the thousands of minorities that are filling classrooms, hospitals, and jails. those that are uneducated, and ignorant, not understanding that it's a bad move to have a shitload of children when you're a low income family. those that resort to crime because they can't support their families. and there are A LOT of them.

yeah, you can put the blinders on and think that these people don't exist, but i'd rather call it like it is.


what it comes down to is that white people think they're gonna get killed in their sleep by minorities. i'm ignorant enough to think this fear, as silly as it is, exists.
<<<knows this is an exageration, but so what?


who are these white people? i don't know any. in my neighborhood, all the the whites seem to have no problem mixing with the minorites.

if you truly believe this ayah (i sure hope you don't), then yes, you're very ignorant.

also, from your response, it seems you have more of a problem with our president than anything else.



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Dalen Wrote:
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There should probably be a dilineation between the acknowledgment of racially fueled problems in our country and the use of phrases like "ignorant little monkies." Is all I'm saying.

Wrapping your self up in "awareness" doesn't make you one whit smarter about the dumbass things you type about non-whites.


dumbass = reality

and it's a bitch move to call racist everytime someone disagrees with your bullshit comments. i could easily resort to calling you a child molester when i disagree with you, but i don't.

sucks that you've never had the chance to experience it, living in a "white community" your entire life.

yeah, you're exposed.

:wanker:


The only times I've called you racist were in jest. And I always said semi-racist, cuz it's funnier. But what I have said, and meant, is that you use offensive terminology and defend it by saying it's "real."

There are many million of latinos who are not the least bit uneducated, unwashed or a threat to society and you know it. Just as you know there are many millions of blacks who aren't thugged out on the corner waiting to rob you.

You can dismiss what you think is my lack of understanding, even if you have no way of knowing what that understanding is, but that doesn't change the fact that you do use that terminology on this board.

Never have I said there isn't a problem with racial issues, immigration issues, minority violence, and of course cultural fears are valid, particularly if one has to live in a dangerous area. But that's not my point. My point is your casual use of race-generalizing insults on this board.

While you're free to use them, I can also point them out.

Also, you're a smart man and know when things like the Cracker Merritt comment aren't meant seriously.


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