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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 12:37 am 
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who are they? the thousands of minorities that are filling classrooms, hospitals, and jails. those that are uneducated, and ignorant, not understanding that it's a bad move to have a shitload of children when you're a low income family. those that resort to crime because they can't support their families. and there are A LOT of them.

yeah, you can put the blinders on and think that these people don't exist, but i'd rather call it like it is.


You're right. But there are also millions of poor whites doing this. And millions of people of all races resorting to crime because they're hooked on meth or oxy or any number of dozens of other substances. It's about desperation, lack of education, addiction, bad role modeling, and lack of hope, not about race.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 12:40 am 
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who are these white people? i don't know any. in my neighborhood, all the the whites seem to have no problem mixing with the minorites.

if you truly believe this ayah (i sure hope you don't), then yes, you're very ignorant.

also, from your response, it seems you have more of a problem with our president than anything else.


and i'm not going to assume that you think the entire country is a mirror image of your neighborhood.

do i believe that a portion of white people in this country are afraid of minorities? i certainly do. my childhood is living proof. the library was two blocks away on the other side of a major street and i couldn't go there because it was on the "black's" side. no boo-hoo story but that's just a tiny, tiny tip of what i grew up with. you crossed a street you got your ass kicked. both ways. i mean one and a half blocks away from my house.

and while i'm not a fan of our president's i am a lesser fan of the pope and those bastard cardinals in the vatican because they have such an impact on activity on an international level. they could change so much by relaxing their views on abortion and birth control. it would affect women's health issues, the aids crisis and so much more. but i guess an institution that just admitted in the 1980's that maybe, just maybe they were off on the galileo thing won't be quick to respond to any of these concerns.


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I agree with Ayah. A lot would be different if people of influence would say "Hey, it's 2006 maybe we should catch up a little bit here".

I grew up in an all-white area of the country. I seriously had never laid eyes on a minority until I was about 10 or 12. I still have a lot of family members who are racist and think in stereotypes related to race or ethnicity. They're not the KKK or anything, but they say some real ignorant shit that I have to correct them on.

Funny story, my aunt came to stay with me a few days last fall. I told her Phil would be over shortly and she could meet him. He came in the house and she jumped off the couch, she thought we were having a home invasion. Never came to mind that Phil was maybe not white. Phil and I thought that was hilarious.

Ignorant, uneducated, criminals span all races.


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it would probably help if people on both sides would stop saying really idiotic things just to try prove some point

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Good post.


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I don't have a problem with people of any race having kids. I have a problem with people who shouldn't be parents having kids, having them anways, and then end up being bad parents.

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it would probably help if people on both sides would stop saying really idiotic things just to try prove some point


you really don't think white people are afraid of non white people?


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colored folk are afraid of white people too. I teach them, i hear the most amazing shit. This racism thing isn't going to go away, because every race has people with their heads unbelievably far up their asses.

In sad news today, one of my friends who worked in the cafeteria, one of the nicest guys i ever knew, he got shot last night in his car, twice to the head. He was black, and not well educated although he was smart, and he never treated anyone other than as people. I've had a cloud over me all day today about it.

They told the students about it, but withheld the details. I don't see the point in that, the kids know more than the administration thinks, and when you say "oh, he passed on", the first question is always "how'd he die?". Then what do you say? "We're not sure?" Please...

O.k., back to racism and fear, carry on.

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Sorry about your friend, Phil. Good people get killed and it sucks terribly.


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It's easy for me to say this now, because I am in the majority, but I don't think I would care if "white" was not the majority anymore. But, I do care if it just goes from white majority to some other race majority. The ideal, in my head, is a full integration of races. INterracial marriages and children black, white, hispanic, asian, etc. Complete integration is the solution, if you ask me, in an ideal sense. Is it possible in my lifetime or even ever? Who knows.

MLK said he wanted his kids to grow up in a world where "they are not judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character". MLK had some of the most clear and succinct arguments and points that should still ring true today across racial lines but have instead been clouded by special interests and each group blaming the other for their own blaring shortcomings.

I think the issue ,for me, with keeping people OUT is not because I don't want to have immigrants or that I as white folk am scared of color, but I want them to come here legally. It doesn't make sense to not tighten up the border in that regard. However, will building a big concrete slab along the river change anything? maybe a little, but what really needs to happen is to have all the money grabbing corporate and political leaders stop abusing their power and stop exploiting the people in our country and from our neighboring countries. I think only then can we have an objective view about what to do with our national borders.


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ayah Wrote:
rparis74 Wrote:
it would probably help if people on both sides would stop saying really idiotic things just to try prove some point


you really don't think white people are afraid of non white people?


mine was a more general comment - not necessarily anything said earlier.

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why is it so troublesome that hispanics could be a majority in this country?
so what.? why do you care? what's going to happen?
what are you afraid of?


There is inherent racism here, to be sure, but I think the real fear is that it could porten a fundamental change in this country, and our laws, values, and even the Constitution. The fact is, that most people do not see the vast majority of hispanics embracing these things, or wanting or seeking assimilation, and it scares people.

I'm not saying (and really not sure) that any of these things are a real threat. I AM saying that this is what people are afraid of. The main problem is, you cannot have a discussion about this, because Democrats (or "lefties") immediately say "Who cares, racist?" and Republicans (or "rightists") advocate the building of walls and such.

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who are they? the millions of North Carolinians that are filling classrooms, hospitals, and jails. those that are uneducated, and ignorant, not understanding that it's a bad move to have a shitload of children when you're a low income family. those that resort to crime because they can't support their families. and there are A LOT of them.

yeah, you can put the blinders on and think that these people don't exist, but i'd rather call it like it is.
i agree. these people are a drain. sorry, tommy.


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So we can look forward to a round of hispanic Republican right-winger bible thumpers round about 2012.


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I heard something new in Chicago two weeks ago. The term, "yankee black." :lol:

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i thought that we were in for a big sea change, but i just realized that all is lost for the democrats this fall because someone (Rove) has moved the agenda from everything that the republican congress and president has fucked up (most everything) and onto hating mexes. goddamnit i'm stupid.


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The obvious answer to all this is to import more whities from other countries. I hear the Irish have a pretty high birth rate. I'm sure we can convince a few boatloads to come over here to work at Wal Mart. The government could also give out incentives so that white folk that are already here have more babies.

How 'bout: Free case of PBR and a Chevy pickup truck (gunrack included) for every newborn child.

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