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Timis Wrote:
i blame pro-tools, producers and engineers who redo band's music in the studio -> basically the way albums are recorded nowadays


Like any tool, ProTools can be misused.
But there ProTools also has some seriously excellent creative potential in the right hands.

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I believe I covered this fairly recently. By all means cling to my coat tails, I don't mind.

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Is it just me or is the predominance of independent labels in the last few years the worst thing to happen to music in decades? Sure the majors more or less plotted their own downfall but as the people of Iraq have found out sometimes you need a greasy asshole with a moustache and a big yacht to keep order. We now find ourselves hopelessly mired in indie quicksand that will prove impossible to struggle free from.

Basically, technology has enabled more and more 'artists', i.e. people who are essentially talentless clots, to festoon us with their independently released song dregs so that all notions of quality have become completely irrelevant. As long as you CAN do it you SHOULD do it seems to be the credo. When anyone can record and release an album we truly live in a world with no limits - of 'look at me' desperation, that is.

This self important compunction to share their art with the world overrides any idea that something should be worthy of release. A generation of molly-coddled, pleasantly egotistical middle class nincompoops have been brought up to believe they have a gift to share with the world when in fact the rough hand of an abusive father, smack across the forehead, would have been more beneficial, at least the listening public, if not their Can-Do addled minds.

The facts are that for the music fan there is now no escape from these feckless legions of xeroxed buffoons. Every one is at it. "I'm in a band!" has become the universal language of cultural despair. At least when the Artie Fufkin's of the world were proving the law of averages by occasionally signing a good band we had a chance of picking the needle from the haystack. Now we have no chance as we are overwhelmed with a trillion vibrating molecules of mediocrity.

I'm sick of it. I say dice every last one of them with sabres, bonfire their pitiful remains and tip the ashes into the swill troughs of a boar farm.

Death to the Independents!

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"independent labels in the last few years the worst thing to happen to music in decades"

i disagree with that completely

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Verbal Intercourse Wrote:
have no fucking idea how to play any instruments (they don't even tune them...honestly) but they've opened for Dinosaur Jr. and Sonic Youth.


I would argure that SY haven't really figured this out either. :wink:


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i think the worse thing to happen to music is that younger and younger kids are getting into music and going to shows. christ, i remember in '95 (17 at the time) i could not get into a show unless i was 18. now you see all ages shows AT THE TIME.

this shift caused a huge sway in music and the audiences that these new bands cater to.

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konstantinl Wrote:
the predominance of independent labels in the last few years the worst thing to happen to music in decades?


I have to agree.


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My problem with a lot of bands post-95 is that hundreds of singers sound exactly alike; that adnoidal loud-soft, soft-loud surf-dude anguished howl. Children of The Descendants don't have their sense of humor, that's for sure.

Even when I was 17 I didn't like people who sang like they were 17.
I like distinctive voices.


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I think it's hard to cast blame completely on the labels themselves. I think I remember from that thread someone pointing out that the surge of indie labels, as much as it has created the shyte that everyone sees and hears, it also creates an avenue for people to get a start. I mean, it is still surprisingly hard to get that record label. I just think that a lot of indie labels are cheating on their committment to choosing to produce "good" music and are having affairs with money and pop-culture.

I guess you could go case by case and condemn specific labels, but condemning indie labels in general seems difficult to verify. IMHO.


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