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Wow. Who knew?

Guess I should give it a try.

But you'll never convince me it's better than CSI - Las Vegas. :wink:


Absolutely owns CSI. Much more subtle, slightly higher brow, etc. No silly snapshot moralizing "lessons learned" segment at the end of each episode, even if it's not called for, etc. I think the writing on CSI talks down to the audience, relies on flashy editing/gruesome subject matter, whereas Lost literally responds to its audience, tries to outwit it at times, and for a flippin' tv show, it actually maintains an odd sense of wonder.


Whoa. Are you serious? You're really talking about the original CSI only? The Miami one is a thinly-veiled "soap opera" version of the original---it's generally a piece of sh*t. Never really watched the NYC one. But the original is pretty much the only current tv show I have any interest in watching.

Every little clip of Lost I've ever seen makes it look like a serious over-done drama fest. Then again I'm a huge fan of Six Feet Under which is probably the biggest drama-fest I've ever seen on tv (save for Twin Peaks, my all-time fav).

En tous cas...

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Absolutely talking about the original, which I've been watching on tivo since catching a few episodes on a plane flight last month. I think the writing, the "wit," the storylines in general are all pretty forced, particularly when it comes to, in my view, attempting to replicate some of the easygoing delivery and wit from Law & Order v-a-v Grissom's literary asides. Just seems to scripted/obvious to my ears.

I could barely make it through an episode of Miami, it was so trite and melodrama-on-steroids, whereas NYC has this odd...I dunno, need(?) to prove how real it is or something. Just turns me off...

Lost definitely is dramatic, but I never feel that the tone is out of proportion with the events taking place in frame. Or outside the frame, come to think of it. There's an intensity and rhythm to Lost that is hard to find in much of popular entertainment, which provides a great foundation for all of the obsessive aspects of the show (see previous 32 pages).


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- what was up with the bird saying Hurley's name?

Everyone seems to have forgotten the bird - we saw this monstrosity WAY back at the beginning of season one. It was a serious "what the HELL" moment and we never saw it again. I'm guessing it means more than we realize yet.

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- the black smoke... we can't be sure that was Sayid's signal fire. We've seen black smoke on the island before.

And don't forget the Black Smoke, which we haven't seen in a while . . . it's a stretch, but maybe it was a LOT of that weird, semi-living stuff.

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- Locke and Eko-- I don't know if either of them will be alive. I was happy to see Locke was wrong, about a lot of things. If he does survive, I'm curious to see if the lack of electromagneticity will cause his legs to give out again. As for Charlie's strange reaction, I think he was in shock or has somehow forgotten what happened.

I predict both are alive, and maybe even Desmond. There may have been an explosion of some kind, but what we really saw was an electromagnetic pulse.

I still don't think we know what actually took the plane down. We know that it was due to Desmond not pushing the button in time, but that only seemed to unleash a massive magnetic anomaly. What he did in turning the key seems, as I said before, to have turned off a containment system for an electromagnetic pulse, but that's not the same thing as magnetism, obviously. Maybe not pushing the button does something else that we only saw part of from inside the hatch - whatever it is is bad, that much we know. We may never fully find out, of course.

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hey, did anyone check out Hanso Careers?
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did anyone see the hanso guy in Jimmy Kimmel?

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did anyone see the hanso guy in Jimmy Kimmel?


OPA!'s Hanso?

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What about the look that Jack and Kate exchanged at the very end? Right before the hoods were placed over their heads, Jack looked at Kate and she slowly blinked once at him. Remember, Jack stated that he had a plan to the others when they were informed of Michael's setup. Wonder what the plan is...


The plan was for Sayid to sail around and intercept the Others at the beach,but Michael led them another way.

Somehow Dez's chick knows that her pops is involved in the Dharma Project and that Dez's ship wrecked on the island, but since it has the huge electromagnetic field (which may now be gone?) it is impossible to locate using typical equipment on boats or planes.


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did anyone else recognize penelope as the wife of the dude from HBO's mind of the married man? she's hott.

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some have hypothosized that this doesn't take place in the present.
that it's ten twenty years in the future.


Yeah, though Desmond and Locke said the plane crashed September 21, 2004. Doesn't mean they're in 2006 now, though.


right
he said they've been there for 60 some days, right?


Exactly. So last night's events occurred around the end of November 2004.


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Has anyone named David showed up in anyone's backstory? I get the feeling her ex-husband is someone important.

Hurley's crazy bald friend was named David wasn't he? Libby was in the ward with Hurley so maybe she was visiting her imaginary husband, or was he imaginary?


Okay, I was super thinking this over in my head while I was walking around downtown and you might be onto something.


Facts:

-When Hurley was in the mental hospital, he had an imaginary friend named David.
-Libby claims to have been married to a man named David who died.
-Libby was in the same mental hospital as Hurley at one point.
-Libby's David supposedly owned a small boat.
-Hurley accidentally (either by his weight or by his curse) caused the collapse of the deck of a yacht resulting in a slew of deaths.


Theory 1:

Hurley's got a certain degree of amnesia regarding things prior to that incident. He used to be friends with Libby and David and David was killed in the yacht accident. The incident placed him in the hospital. He invented an imaginary friend and gave it the name David without realising that he once had a friend name David. Why Libby was in the hospital is still a mystery, though.


Theory 2:

Libby's husband David was killed in the yacht accident. (I swear I think I'm onto something with that part of it.) Hurley was placed in the mental hospital shortly thereafter. (We know this to be a fact.) Libby hated him and wanted revenge so she checked herself into the hospital to keep an eye on him. (If sitcoms have taught me anything, it's that it's very easy to get yourself admitted into a mental hospital if you want to be.) When Hurley became better and was released, she showed the doctors that she was perfectly sane and they released her too. She followed/stalked him to Australia and onto Oceanic Flight 815. Somewhere along the way, probably while in the hospital, she ended up falling in love with him and didn't blame him for David's death anymore.


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That's pretty good theorizing there alongwaltz...


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did anyone see the hanso guy on Jimmy Kimmel?


here's the link

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I don't remember hearing that Hurley caused the "deck" accident on a yacht... I always assumed the deck was on a house or apartment.


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Even though both Desmond and Mr. Krabs are dead, I hope they eventually explain what Desmond did to end up in Scottish military prison, and how Mr. Krabs ended up going from the U.S. military officer who released Sayid from POW captivity in Iraq to a Dharma guinea pig.


it's probably been mentioned already, but kelvin inman was listed as joe inman in the sayid military episode, meaning they are brothers, or twins, meaning one of them is a "bad twin" if you will...?

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alongwaltz Wrote:
-When Hurley was in the mental hospital, he had an imaginary friend named David.
-Libby claims to have been married to a man named David who died.
-Libby was in the same mental hospital as Hurley at one point.
-Libby's David supposedly owned a small boat.
-Hurley accidentally (either by his weight or by his curse) caused the collapse of the deck of a yacht resulting in a slew of deaths.

I'm thinking along completely different lines with regards to Libby and David. I think Libby is part of Dharma/Hanso. Whether she’s a crash survivor or not is unknown – we saw her in the airport in Eko’s episode, but that doesn’t necessarily mean she was actually on the plane. She may have joined up with them on the island during the mayhem immediately after the crash. But I think she was planted by someone involved with Dharma, Hanso, or Widmore (Penny’s dad) in order to ensure that Desmond was out of Penny’s life for good. Libby showed up at the right time and hands him a boat she just happens to have for the boat race for which he just happens to not have a boat. That boat most likely was rigged to ensure that Desmond ended up on the island.

And of course we saw Libby in the asylum with Hurley, where it can be surmised that she was there not as a patient but as a plant in order to pass along the numbers. Why, we don’t know . . . yet?

Where her "husband" David comes in gets really weird, but plausible for this show. Think about the times that Walt has appeared to other people when he obviously shouldn't have been able to, or when Kate saw the horse, and Jack saw his dad. At some point a while back, the Hanso site listed something about teleportation or something like that - it's no longer listed as one of their projects, at least that I can see. But putting two and two together you can see that maybe, possibly Dave was "real" in the sense that maybe he is a real person, but he was appearing to Hurley for particular reasons that we likely don't know yet.

Keep in mind the show's creators keep emphasizing that there are no coincidences on this show. I'm going to take them on their word with this.

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Whether she’s a crash survivor or not is unknown – we saw her in the airport in Eko’s episode, but that doesn’t necessarily mean she was actually on the plane.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought in the Hurley "running to the airport" scene from his backstory in S1, we see Libby on the plane just as he's boarding at take-off.

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At some point a while back, the Hanso site listed something about teleportation or something like that - it's no longer listed as one of their projects, at least that I can see. But putting two and two together you can see that maybe, possibly Dave was "real" in the sense that maybe he is a real person, but he was appearing to Hurley for particular reasons that we likely don't know yet.


But explain the fact that the one doctor took a photo of Hurley with Dave and it showed Hurley with his arm around an empty chair.

Also, what if Libby was on the plane and did something to make the planet overtly magnetic to coincide with Desmond's button absence. Thus ensuring the crash more.

But fuck, none of this makes any sense. Unless the Dharmans are all psychics and can see the future. Because how could they have known Desmond would forget to push the button? They couldn't!

They couldn't. So Desmond didn't cause the crash. If the people on the plane were just random people who had no connection to each other or anyone else on the island, then it could've been his fault. But it's been made pretty clear that there was a reason that those people on the plane were on the plane for a reason.

Well, those dozen or so who do all the interesting stuff. Apparently there was a whole front section of people who were nobodies who could just be killed off. And the middle section contained a bunch of people who were apparently just in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Unless. Do you think we'll start getting backstories and getting to know more about the random beach people in season three? If people like Walt and Hurley were so integral to being on the plane and the island, it still makes no sense that all these other people just chose a bad flight.


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Also, (fuck I hate this show), Fake Henry appears to be the leader of the Dharmans. At least he took control and put Tom in his place when he showed up. So...

a) If he's the head guy, how did he get himself caught in a net by Rousseau? And why did he stay strung up there all alone while she went and found Jack and them? He didn't have any sort of knife or gun on him? Nobody else was around to cut him down?

b) Was he telling the truth when he told Locke that he was coming for him? It would appear that he was lying when he told Locke that he didn't push the button. He must have or else shit would have gone wonky then. Which it didn't.

c1) If he was coming for Locke, why wouldn't they ask for Locke to be brought over with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer? Locke must be pretty important if the head guy is willing to go after him hisself instead of sending the lackeys.

c2) If he wasn't coming for Locke, what was he doing out on his own closer to their side of the island when he got caught?


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a) If he's the head guy, how did he get himself caught in a net by Rousseau? And why did he stay strung up there all alone while she went and found Jack and them? He didn't have any sort of knife or gun on him? Nobody else was around to cut him down?

c1) If he was coming for Locke, why wouldn't they ask for Locke to be brought over with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer? Locke must be pretty important if the head guy is willing to go after him hisself instead of sending the lackeys.


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b) Was he telling the truth when he told Locke that he was coming for him? It would appear that he was lying when he told Locke that he didn't push the button. He must have or else shit would have gone wonky then. Which it didn't.

You make a really good point here - it seems almost as if he wanted Locke to not press the button. Meaning the Others wanted the button to NOT be pushed (but that THEY don't want to be the ones responsible for not pushing it) - which explains their nonchalant reaction to the event last night. This definitely changes things - why would they want the EMP to happen?

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b) Was he telling the truth when he told Locke that he was coming for him? It would appear that he was lying when he told Locke that he didn't push the button. He must have or else shit would have gone wonky then. Which it didn't.

You make a really good point here - it seems almost as if he wanted Locke to not press the button. Meaning the Others wanted the button to NOT be pushed (but that THEY don't want to be the ones responsible for not pushing it) - which explains their nonchalant reaction to the event last night. This definitely changes things - why would they want the EMP to happen?

exactly. i was surprised by gale's reaction - or lack thereof....

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What about the Dharma doors Sayid found that opened to nothing? Anybody got theories on that, or does it just feed back into Henry's "group" watching everyone else and keeping up appearances?


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hmm, maybe? re: the four toed statue....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes


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a) If he's the head guy, how did he get himself caught in a net by Rousseau? And why did he stay strung up there all alone while she went and found Jack and them? He didn't have any sort of knife or gun on him? Nobody else was around to cut him down?


This one's easy. He was planning on infiltrating the group (thus the balloon crash story complete with actual balloon and gravesite) so he was unarmed and alone so as not to arouse too much suspicion. Getting caught in a trap and shot with an arrow might not have been part of his plan, but then again, maybe everything was.

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b) Was he telling the truth when he told Locke that he was coming for him? It would appear that he was lying when he told Locke that he didn't push the button. He must have or else shit would have gone wonky then. Which it didn't.


Who knows, but this is a good point. I was thinkinh about this, too. Perhaps getting Locke to let the timer run down was his whole reason for going over there.


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Where's Haq and Katie's opinion on the last episode? I'd like their input here.

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c1) If he was coming for Locke, why wouldn't they ask for Locke to be brought over with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer? Locke must be pretty important if the head guy is willing to go after him hisself instead of sending the lackeys.


As I said before, Locke will go to them when he's ready, and they'll be ready for him. He might even bring Eko, or Desmond, whichever is alive.

I agree that the plane crash wasn't an accident caused by Desmond. The Others know Sawyer's real name. Being that they don't have the plane's manifest, how else would they know him as James Ford? I guess they knew who was on the plane before it ever arrived.


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