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i'm watching this old video of them, and it seems like David Byrne backed by funky black people with the rest of the heads are there not doing very much.

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What era is the video from?

I'm pretty sure it was white folks in the studio.


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You should go to the Bernie Worrell website and ask him that question on the "AsK Bernie" page...

http://www.bernieworrell.com/home.htm

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What era is the video from?

I'm pretty sure it was white folks in the studio.


yeah...they had adrian belew and bernie worrell on thelive stuff which made that shit the stuff of legends but i'm also fairly sure that it was the band themselves + eno that made the album funk.

but of course they were influenced by african rhythms so essentially, yes, black people did make them funky because black people invented funk and all modern music.

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i saw bernie worrell live once and it was the least funky thing i've ever seen.
kind of depressing.

i didn't know he played with the Talking Heads, very cool.

i'm not sure when the video was from. It didn't say.

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Actually the Talking Heads proper are pretty funky folks in general. Have you ever heard Tina Weymouth and Chris Franz's group the Tom Tom Club?

Tina is why I started playing bass in highschool...she is a funky sister.

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Actually the Talking Heads proper are pretty funky folks in general. Have you ever heard Tina Weymouth and Chris Franz's group the Tom Tom Club?

Tina is why I started playing bass in highschool...she is a funky sister.


that's what freaked me out about the video.
she wasn't playing bass. She was behind a keyboard not doing a whole lot.

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black people did make them funky because black people invented funk and all modern music.


All western harmony is rooted in rules based on J.S. Bach's compositions, and expounded upon by Beethoven and Mahler.

All three were decidely not black.

After Beethoven had gone deaf, he wrote an atonal string quartet with polyrhythmic figures and tritone substitutions predating jazz by over a century.

That said, all music is based on musical phonemes, it's universal stuff.

We could go on, but statements like that make me bristle. There's wonderful interesting music all around us created by people of all backgrounds, and whether it's created convergently or divergently is a moot point.

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jewels santana Wrote:
MiceElf Wrote:
Actually the Talking Heads proper are pretty funky folks in general. Have you ever heard Tina Weymouth and Chris Franz's group the Tom Tom Club?

Tina is why I started playing bass in highschool...she is a funky sister.


that's what freaked me out about the video.
she wasn't playing bass. She was behind a keyboard not doing a whole lot.


that's because eno probably wrote most of the basslines. i'm not surewhat tina actualyl did on "remain in light" to be honest.

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that's because eno probably wrote most of the basslines. i'm not surewhat tina actualyl did on "remain in light" to be honest.


Ermmm...looked really cute?! Sorry, I love her.

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she did rock a hofner.

[img][374:500]http://thecreeper.net/oldpics/talking-heads.jpg[/img]

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my hofner is more awesome though, cause it looks like paul's.

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in the video i could practicallly hear her thinking.

"so this is how it is now, Davd? You ass."

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my hofner is more awesome though, cause it looks like paul's.
J E A L O U S! I love how light those are and that sound! I had an opportunity to a "Beatle" bass many, many years ago but the person who was selling it, was selling it for pathetic and illegal reasons and I didn't want to be an enabler...but dammit, that person is nowhere in my life now and I wish I had that bass, heh.

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that's because eno probably wrote most of the basslines. i'm not surewhat tina actualyl did on "remain in light" to be honest.


Ermmm...looked really cute?! Sorry, I love her.


well i lover her too, and the basslines she wrote on their first three albums are sick.

the point though is that she said that she couldn't actually play the bassline from "Crosseyed and Painless." When she heard Phish's live cover of the songshebasically said thatshe didn't comprehend how a 4 person band could make allthat sound live.

she's awesome and ilove her, buteno is obviously the true genius there.

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black people did make them funky because black people invented funk and all modern music.


All western harmony is rooted in rules based on J.S. Bach's compositions, and expounded upon by Beethoven and Mahler.

All three were decidely not black.

After Beethoven had gone deaf, he wrote an atonal string quartet with polyrhythmic figures and tritone substitutions predating jazz by over a century.

That said, all music is based on musical phonemes, it's universal stuff.

We could go on, but statements like that make me bristle. There's wonderful interesting music all around us created by people of all backgrounds, and whether it's created convergently or divergently is a moot point.


and phil, thx for calling me on mybullshit. i talk somuch shit even when i don't havethe facts, so i like to be educated when i'm wrong.

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i dunno, i still feel fine saying black people invented funk.

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jewels santana Wrote:
i dunno, i still feel fine saying black people invented funk.


honestly, i'm still going to keep saying it.

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I don't, although I took more umbrage at "all modern music".

How are you going to define funk? Who would you say is the father of funk, or the progenitors of funk?

Who would those progenitors list as influences?

It's not like funk, or any genre of music for that matter, just magically appears, completely uninformed of any music before it.

And why do some white people feel guilty about their contributions to music, or their enjoyment of music that they FEEL doesn't belong to them? And why do some black (or other ethnic groups) FEEL that the music DOES belong to them and yet gladly take the paycheck from consumers who most assuredly are not completely black?

We ought to be so far past this. You think motown would have had it's golden era if it didn't borrow from jazz sidemen of all ethnicities, string parts inspired by Phil Spector, hits written by the black team of Holland/Dozier/Holland AND the white jewish team of Goffin/King? What about Gershwin? He melded Jazz, classical AND pop when everyone told him he was sick in the head. Of course, he did die at an early age of that unfortunate brain tumor.

My point is that there's good music, which is informed by other good music. Sly and the Family Stone, Jimi Hendrix, and others adored The Beatles, who adored Chuck Berry, Smokey Robinson, and it's all a big circle.

It's diatonic 12-tone harmony, and in 4/4 you've only got so many divisions/combinations of basic beats, and if you think funk arranged them in a novel way that had never been dreamt of before, because they used syncopation or hemiolas, classical music did it first, but it's big picture vs. little picture, and both are valid.

So if you want to say black people invented funk, you go ahead. I'm gonna disagree.

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I don't, although I took more umbrage at "all modern music".

How are you going to define funk? Who would you say is the father of funk, or the progenitors of funk?

Who would those progenitors list as influences?

It's not like funk, or any genre of music for that matter, just magically appears, completely uninformed of any music before it.

And why do some white people feel guilty about their contributions to music, or their enjoyment of music that they FEEL doesn't belong to them? And why do some black (or other ethnic groups) FEEL that the music DOES belong to them and yet gladly take the paycheck from consumers who most assuredly are not completely black?

We ought to be so far past this. You think motown would have had it's golden era if it didn't borrow from jazz sidemen of all ethnicities, string parts inspired by Phil Spector, hits written by the black team of Holland/Dozier/Holland AND the white jewish team of Goffin/King? What about Gershwin? He melded Jazz, classical AND pop when everyone told him he was sick in the head. Of course, he did die at an early age of that unfortunate brain tumor.

My point is that there's good music, which is informed by other good music. Sly and the Family Stone, Jimi Hendrix, and others adored The Beatles, who adored Chuck Berry, Smokey Robinson, and it's all a big circle.

It's diatonic 12-tone harmony, and in 4/4 you've only got so many divisions/combinations of basic beats, and if you think funk arranged them in a novel way that had never been dreamt of before, because they used syncopation or hemiolas, classical music did it first, but it's big picture vs. little picture, and both are valid.

So if you want to say black people invented funk, you go ahead. I'm gonna disagree.


i mean, you're right. you have the facts.

honestly, when i typed "modern music" iseriously thought about editing it outbecause i know that's wrong. that was just some ofthat hyperbole i like touse todiminish the accomplishments of whitey.

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of course everything comes from everything.

but i don't think pointing out that certain genre's of music largley came from certain regions or races is something we need to get past.

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In general, black people have been very useful in the doing of stuff. Thanks, black people.


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Eno was in full Fela Kuti phase when he met up with the Heads

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Nona Hendryx and Nile Rodgers sure had a lot of white skinny friends back in the day. Eventually, Byrne turned all Brazilian, so their infiltration appears to have had a measure of success. Wrong continent, but white people aren't an exact science.


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Prince of Darkness Wrote:
gauchebag Wrote:
black people did make them funky because black people invented funk and all modern music.


All western harmony is rooted in rules based on J.S. Bach's compositions, and expounded upon by Beethoven and Mahler.

All three were decidely not black.

After Beethoven had gone deaf, he wrote an atonal string quartet with polyrhythmic figures and tritone substitutions predating jazz by over a century.

That said, all music is based on musical phonemes, it's universal stuff.

We could go on, but statements like that make me bristle. There's wonderful interesting music all around us created by people of all backgrounds, and whether it's created convergently or divergently is a moot point.


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