First everyone's favorite hatable indie rocker Bright Eyes Oberst, and now System of a Down decide to do the two albums on one day thing.

I thought this trend (and the even worse trend of double rap albums) had been effectively killed by people realizing that they are all effectively half filler. Apparently not.

I think the SOAD records are gonna be released 6 months apart, unless something has changed in recent weeks.....

Mellon Collie was great!

You're forgetting the double R.Kelly & Nelly discs that came out late last year?

Plus, I think that Speakerboxxx/The Love Below reintroduced the idea, putting the view out there that, in order to be an "artist", you can be critically aclaimed and sell mucho records if you put out two records (with different "themes") on the same day...

I think that he is referring to bands/artists releasing 2 different albums as opposed to a "double album"

For me its a budget thing. I fucking love Lambchop. I would have bought a double album. But when faced with 2 albums I read some reviews, took a quick poll at Criminal and bought 1.

does Conor Oberst wear that many hats?

well, no, but it'd be really easy to put one on him if you were so inclined.

Hon. Sen. LooGAR, I believe you mean, Has no one learnt from Matrix: Returns and Revolution that the dual-release is a gimmick, not an art?

<---- actually likes Use Yr Illusion I and II

Oh, I'm down with UYI 1&2, I just think its a sign of getting too big for your britches. It's a sign, not unlike Lindsay Buckingham doing 73 vocal tracks on Tush, that your cocain use and ego have gotten out of control*

*Allegedly

And shouldnt you be working on my mix?

Dude the GNR and the Nelly solf like crazy. They learned all right!

Its too easy these days for an artist to say "well these 2 records are different themes and thereby belong on different records"

I think that is a bit of a cop out considering that I can't tell one theme from the other on most of these albums...especially the lambchop record (though I love em both).

I guess it beats saying "I'm an incredibly self indulgent songwriter and I want you to spend twice as much as you would on another artist because I know you're buying my album"

i like that he is doing 2 different tours though - both will have different focuses and themes. if i could do it, i know i would.

KPH

Yeah, right.

in my opinion, this was not an opus, it was the first signs of decline.

Would have been a very good single album, but the inability to self edit really made itself apparent on following albums.

That is to say, for me... Mellon Collie was not great.

-Phil

I agree.

You make a best of of Use your illusion 1&2, and you have a record as good as appeitie for destruction...

you mkae a best of Melancollie / Infinite Saness, and you have a record about as good as Siamese Dreams...

IMO

Same thing with Boys for Pele.

What? Why? And how? You only bought one of those two wonderful albums? But you'd have bought them at the same time if they were released together for the same price as two separate albums? Or, say, you'd have bought both if they'd been released 6 months apart? This doesn't seem kind of contradictory and ridiculous to you? Jesu Cristo, dude, go out and buy the one you didn't already.

wow. i couldnt disagree more. and i love mellon collie and use you illusion; best of? what about the continuity that makes siamese and appetite great?
i think mellon collie in particular needed to be a double album. its continuity lies somewhere in its (occasionally bloated) song cycle; as far as touching siamese dream, nostalgia aside, billy will never equal that sound again(siamese). sorry, billy. my friend rory rory and i used to call it the "gold brick effect"
AND... actually, despite the filler, use your illusion is so dramatically different from record to record it has to be digested as 2 separate entities. And no "best of" would ever equal the quality or especially the sound (who the fuck produced&/or engineered that monster) of Appetite. Ever.

i understand what you mean and are saying.... Flow and continuity are two things that are keys in a great album....

What I meant was that, both sets of double records have their brilliant songs, and songs that are good but not awesome....Siamese Dreams and Appetite being two of my top 10 cd's of all time.....I meant tat I could take the 10-12 best songs from both double records, and make one single record from each band that i would like as much as AFD or SD....

that be all. perhaps they wouldnt work cause the flow would be off, but perhaps they would?

Yail, i respect your opinion, but i'm down with trimming the fat.

oh, yeah, i understood your point totally. And, who knows? You might be right.

Totally agree with the spirit of the need for self-editing. For most everybody.

All I have to say is...

I got 57 channels and nothing on

Genius!

LIES!!!!!!



me too; shit some of the best albums of all time could have been trimmed: Exile (not your choice, but mine), Blonde on Blonde, Remain In Light, etc. But, as an artist/musician I'm sure, if given the budget and studio time, even YOU would indulge in a monstrous atrocity or two.

The point is that......Well there really isn't a point, but we all know that albums are (for the most part) best listened to as they were intended/recorded.

i don't believe in the Siamese Sadness concept. Corgan set out to write and record a 2LP. the fat was all a product of his abilities and talent, which is where the blame for this album's shortcomings should fall. moreover, i don't think a 12 song edit of the record would've been any *better* -- it just would've made it shorter.

KPH