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Latest Cycling News for July 27, 2006
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Phonak confirms Landis positive
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The Phonak team has confirmed the speculation that Floyd Landis returned a positive A sample after his win in stage 17 of the Tour de France. "The Phonak Cycling Team was notified yesterday by the UCI about an unusual level of Testosterone/Epitestosterone ratio in the test made on Floyd Landis after stage 17 of the Tour de France," said the team in a statement. "The team management and the rider were both totally surprised of this physiological result.

"The rider will ask in the upcoming days for the counter analysis to prove either that this result is coming from a natural process or that this is resulting from a mistake in the confirmation. In application of the Pro Tour Ethical Code, the rider will not race anymore until this problem is totally clear.

"If the result of the B sample analysis confirms the result of the A sample, the rider will be dismissed and will then pass the corresponding endocrinological examinations."

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oh, an american who won a bicycle race tested positive? get out.

but, really, i thought he'd been given the ok for certain drugs because of his hip.


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apparently "certain drugs" can help you make up a shitload of time


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LANDIS HAS THE VIRUS?

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Quick! Someone get Mike Flanagan on the phone! The O's need to sign this guy right away!

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Tested positive for TESTOSTERONE. Apparently, if you use Lance Armstrong as your control for this test, Landis had exactly TWICE as much testosterone. :lol:


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The team management and the rider were both totally surprised of this physiological result.


Said Landis, "dudes, I'm totally surprised by this physiological result."


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LANDIS HAS THE VIRUS?


i thought john landis. oh well.

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dude's gone

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i thought john landis. oh well.


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visions of shooter mcgavin running off with the gold jacket suddenly spring to mind.

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Tested positive for TESTOSTERONE. Apparently, if you use Lance Armstrong as your control for this test, Landis had exactly TWICE as much testosterone. :lol:
there's something about how another hormone in his body is so LOW that the ratio of that to testosterone (the levels of which are slightly below normal) is what set off the test, not high testosterone, maybe? sounds like things are getting complicated...


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Can't they work this shit out BEFORE the race? What, let him win and then get around to the lab work? Is this the same guy that has been celebrated like crazy for his performance in the last week?


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Why even hold the news conference today? Is this guy retaining Rafael Palmeiro as counsel?

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Strange. Very strange.

TOUR DE FRAUD?
PUZZLE: Experts curious why a cyclist would even use testosterone in the middle of a race
Lance Williams, Chronicle Staff Writer

Friday, July 28, 2006

Cycling's drug cheats have beaten the system for years with blood doping, the endurance-booster EPO and the substance human growth hormone.

And so it puzzled doping experts Thursday when they learned that Tour de France champion Floyd Landis had tested positive for illegally high levels of testosterone -- a result suggesting he had used a muscle-building drug in the middle of a race.

"The result is a bit of a mystery because testosterone is not the drug of choice for cyclists," said Oregon doping expert Steven Ungerleider. "Typically, testosterone derivatives are used in a long-term cycle -- you use them off and on to build lean muscle mass."

It would be illogical for a cyclist to use testosterone during a race, agreed Charles Yesalis, a retired Pennsylvania State University professor and a consultant on sports doping issues.

"EPO can help you on the bike, as can blood doping," he said. "Testosterone can help you recover, but I don't think it could make a meaningful difference in a week."

If the test results are verified, the experts said that could mean Landis had used a quick-acting form of testosterone in hopes of getting a quick "pop" during the grueling race -- or perhaps to combat the pain of his degenerative hip condition.

The test that Landis failed seeks to determine whether an athlete is using drugs to supplement the testosterone that is naturally produced by his body. The human body produces testosterone and another substance, epitestosterone, in a ratio of roughly 1 to 1, scientific studies have shown.

Under international doping rules, if the test shows that an athlete's urine has a ratio of more than four parts of testosterone to one part of epitestosterone, he or she is presumed to have been cheating.

Testosterone can build muscles and help athletes recover from workout-related injuries. But some baseball players and track stars have used quick-acting forms of the drug in an effort to get a short-term benefit.

In the BALCO steroids case, court records show that athletes were given a product called "Mexican beans" -- a fast-acting testosterone derivative in pill form that was thought to clear the system within a few days.

Kelsey Nakanelua, an Olympic sprinter from American Samoa who has studied the chemistry of performance-enhancing drugs, said athletes experience a "spike" in their testosterone levels soon after ingesting some forms of the substance.

Athletes "can get a quick pop" of improved performance, said Nakanelua, a graduate student at the University of Hawaii.

Ungerleider, the Oregon expert, speculated that Landis might have sought drugs for hip pain.

"He has been competing at a high level with a terrible hip problem," he said. "It's possible they gave him something that sent his ratio out of whack."

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They base it on the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone (breakdown product) which is reasonably similar in most males. when your ratio is way off, you get popped. most of the dopers take testosterone to train and then during the races actually take epitestosterone...both levels end up being very high but the ratio is acceptable.


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The Effect of Alcohol Consumption on the Urinary Testosterone / Epitestosterone Ratio

By Dr Simon Davis B.Sc., Ph.D.

Summary
Intoxicating beverages contain a number of different forms of alcohol, the major constituent of which is ethanol. When a beverage is consumed the ethanol content passes through the stomach wall and digestive tract into the blood stream. Once the ethanol enters circulation it begins to alter the bodies’ biochemistry. One such reaction is to differentially increase the
rates of testosterone (T) and epitestosterone (E) metabolism. The overall effect of this reaction is to increase the ratio of T to E excreted in the urine.

It has been reported that ethanol consumption can increase urinary T/E ratios by 30% - 277% in healthy individuals. Observed changes in plasma T/E ratios can occur with the consumption of less than 2 pints of lager. The ingestion of ethanol by an individual will increase the T/E ratio observed in a urine sample.

It follows that if the effect of ethanol on T/E ratios is calculated relative to urinary E concentrations, it can be seen that increases in the ratio are exponential as E concentrations decrease. Individuals with naturally low E concentrations could, therefore, experience increases in T/E ratios of ? 940% greater than increases experienced in an individual with
normal E concentrations. Calculations estimate that in individuals with low urinary E concentration, ratios of 17 to 1 or higher could have resulted from ethanol consumption without any administration of exogenous T.

The current T/E ratio test as performed by Kings College Laboratory and approved by the UK Sports, the IWF and IOC cannot discriminate between a 13 to 1 T/E ratio resulting from ethanol ingestion or a 13 to 1 ratio resulting from endogenous T administration.

Validity of the Testosterone / Epitestosterone Ratio Technique in detecting the use of Exogenous Testosterone by Athletes

By Dr Simon Davis B.Sc., Ph.D.

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Although the testosterone (T) / epitestosterone (E) ratio test has widely been used since its inception, the increasing number of false positive results, combined with a growing body of scientific evidence, has cast doubt on the accuracy and precision of this technique.

A 1996 inter-laboratory study by members of IOC accredited laboratories (including Professor Cowan of Kings College Laboratory) emphasized this point when reporting their inability to accurately analyze the T/E ratio of standard urines. Although internal precision was good, variations between the participating laboratories were statistically significant, with reported
values differing by up to 20.1%.

The inter-laboratory variability could result in the report of a ratio > 6 to 1 which, if analyzed by a different laboratory, would be reported as < 6 to 1. The authors explained this variation as being due to the “inherently complex” nature of the test and “urine-laboratory interaction”. The observed variation was not improved by the absence of any international
standards, the use of which is mandatory in other areas of analytical science. To the best of my knowledge, international standards are still not
used as part of the T/E analytical protocol.

It would appear, therefore, that results reported by IOC accredited laboratories do not always accurately reflect the true T and E content of analyzed samples.

Not only is the analytical validity of the test in question, but the premise that a ratio of 6/1 infers a doping offence is also unsafe. Numerous papers, many authored by employees of IOC accredited laboratories, report observing T/E levels greater than 6/1 in individuals who have not committed a doping offence. If the number of individuals with naturally high ratios equaled the most conservative estimates, they could still account for the majority of positive results reported by the UK Sports Council.

As recently as September 1997, Dick Schultz, the Executive Director of the United States Olympic Committee stated that if no satisfactory testing
method could be found then the IOC should strike T from its banned list.

Due to inadequacies in the current test, the IOC will shortly change the way T abuse is detected. The new procedure will use isotope ratio mass spectrometry (GC/C/IRMS). This technique can discern between naturally high T and T administered exogenously. This means athletes need no longer worry about false positives from bacterial degradation, ethanol consumption, naturally high T concentrations or pathologically low E concentrations. This technique has been used in two Olympic games and the apparatus is
widely available in IOC accredited laboratories. As GC/C/IRMS is current best technology, it is reasonable to assume it should be used in preference to the flawed T/E ratio test.

The inability of the T/E test to detect naturally high ratios, combined with poor analytical accuracy make any reports of exogenous T abuse scientifically unsound. In short it is not possible to determine if a
doping offence has been committed solely on the basis of a urinary T/E ratio greater than 6/1.

The Effect of Alcohol Consumption on the Urinary Testosterone /Epitestosterone Ratio

By Dr Simon Davis B.Sc., Ph.D.

Summary
Intoxicating beverages contain a number of different forms of alcohol, the major constituent of which is ethanol. When a beverage is consumed the ethanol content passes through the stomach wall and digestive tract into the blood stream. Once the ethanol enters circulation it begins to alter the bodies’ biochemistry. One such reaction is to differentially increase the
rates of testosterone (T) and epitestosterone (E) metabolism. The overall effect of this reaction is to increase the ratio of T to E excreted in the urine.

It has been reported that ethanol consumption can increase urinary T/E ratios by 30% - 277% in healthy individuals. Observed changes in plasma T/E
ratios can occur with the consumption of less than 2 pints of lager. The ingestion of ethanol by an individual will increase the T/E ratio observed
in a urine sample.

It follows that if the effect of ethanol on T/E ratios is calculated relative to urinary E concentrations, it can be seen that increases in the ratio are exponential as E concentrations decrease. Individuals with naturally low E concentrations could, therefore, experience increases in T/E ratios of ? 940% greater than increases experienced in an individual with
normal E concentrations. Calculations estimate that in individuals with low urinary E concentration, ratios of 17 to 1 or higher could have resulted from ethanol consumption without any administration of exogenous T.

The current T/E ratio test as performed by Kings College Laboratory and approved by the UK Sports, the IWF and IOC cannot discriminate between a 13
to 1 T/E ratio resulting from ethanol ingestion or a 13 to 1 ratio resulting from endogenous T administration.
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Landis allegedly is quite a beer drinker. This may or may not explain it. I'm not making excuses, I'm just curious as to why he may have done it. It makes no sense in probably the most scrutinized year of the tour.

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I keep reading the subject as "ladies test postitive".

And I think 'All ladies? Am I one of those ladies? Positive for what?'.

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Interesting to dredge this topic up again.

Landis is trying to get into the spotlight (yet again...and again...and...) by implicating a bunch of US cyclists, including Armstrong, in his doping exploits. Pretty lame, and where have I heard this before?

Oh, right. That's where.

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i'm hoping the world cup will drown out all reverb this will cause around the tour this year. as far as i'm concerned, cycling has had a bigger black eye over the past few years than boxing has had for the past decade. and while i tend to root for lance, i feel nothing for him. still, fuck landis with an amish butter churn that gutless prick.


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I'm unashamedly a fan of Lance. I think he makes a good point that he's always being tested. The guy has an incredible work ethic, and yeah, he has big companies behind him which probably gives him an advantage. But, I also think he's just a freak of nature, and that allows him to perform way above what the competitors do.

I can see Landis attacking him--but Levi? Zabriskie? That's just lame. I can't see any other motivation than to try to destroy US Cycling, and to put himself back in the spotlight.

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Yeah, just read this this morning. Landis is a failure, plain and simple, and unlike most humble human beings, can't seem to keep his mouth shut. Honestly, I've stopped following cycling as much as I did in the past, but it seems every time I get my hopes up over someone, they disappoint me with this b.s. I have a very hard time believing Zabriskie is involved with this, but I've been wrong before.


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Speaking of road bikes, we went up to Auburn, CA, last weekend to see the first leg of the Amgen CA Tour.

They came down the hill to the Foresthill Bridge so fast that I barely had time to get my camera ready.

Here are a couple of pics. The first 2 pics are of the chase group- the leaders had already been through, seemed like 5 minutes ago. :shock:

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This shot is taken from the bridge w/ my telephoto- they were pretty far away. Here is the chase group, heading up the road towards Cool. This is a freakin' heinous climb- steep & twisty.

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Finchy,

1) While any or all of the people in those pics might be guilty of doping, it ain't the Tour De France.
2) You like to watch guys in skin tight bike shorts. We all know that. It ain't news anymore.


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Finchy,

2) You like to watch guys in skin tight bike shorts. We all know that. It ain't news anymore.


Goddam, that's funny. :wanker:

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