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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:11 pm 
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I needed a good laugh. At least we all remember that the first rule of Christianity is complete and total lack of tolerance for anyone different from you. Thats right, isnt it?

edit: no thats the second rule of Christianity...the first rule of Christianity is that you dont talk about Christianity.

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MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris told a religious journal that separation of church and state is "a lie" and God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws."

The Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.

Harris made the comments -- which she clarified Saturday -- in the Florida Baptist Witness, the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention, which interviewed political candidates and asked them about religion and their positions on issues.

Separation of church and state is "a lie we have been told," Harris said in the interview, published Thursday, saying separating religion and politics is "wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."

Electing non-Christians a 'legislative sin'
"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris said.

Her comments drew criticism, including some from fellow Republicans who called them offensive and not representative of the party.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida, who is Jewish, told the Orlando Sentinel that she was "disgusted" by the comments.

Harris' campaign released a statement Saturday saying she had been "speaking to a Christian audience, addressing a common misperception that people of faith should not be actively involved in government."

The comments reflected "her deep grounding in Judeo-Christian values," the statement said, adding that Harris had previously supported pro-Israel legislation and legislation recognizing the Holocaust.

Harris' opponents in the GOP primary also gave interviews to the Florida Baptist Witness but made more general statements on their faith.

Harris, 49, faced widespread criticism for her role overseeing the 2000 presidential recount as Florida's secretary of state.

State GOP leaders -- including Gov. Jeb Bush -- don't think she can win against Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in November. Fundraising has lagged, frustrated campaign workers have defected in droves and the issues have been overshadowed by news of her dealings with a corrupt defense contractor who gave her $32,000 in illegal campaign contributions.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:21 pm 
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yeah, i read that last week. freakin' nut job.

she needs an aggressive mouth sex session.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:32 pm 
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It figures that she'd be such a whack-job zealot, given that she apparently shares Tammy Faye's makeup artist.

I'm really, really starting to get seriously pissed at how badly the right-wing fundamentalists are screwing things up for those of us who are reasonably-minded Christians who realize tolerance is NOT the opposite of Christianity.

This is the very reason people cringe when you tell them you're a Christian. Sure, I generally love making people cringe, but that's supposed to be the result of me forcing my bad jokes and generally obnoxious personality traits on people, NOT because I happen to believe in God.

I have no interest in legislating morality. Live and let live, you know? The things people do are supposed to be between them and God. Who am I to judge? That's God's job, innit???

Sorry for the atypical rant, folks, but it's hard to worship saints in the city. (You KNEW the bad joke was coming!)

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Time was, injecting religion into politics was seen as untoward. Arguing over who is a better christian is like arguing over which sibling loves their parent more.

AND, about 99.3% of all of these people are openly pandering to their supporters, and could give a shit about whether the Bible is taught in school, or whether you have to be dunked in the virgin blood of a sacrificed lamb before you take the oath of office. Their egos are black holes sucking anything and everything they come accross into their wake, and they mostly look at the voters in their states or districts with contempt or even scorn.

If I were running for office I would tell people where I stood on the issue, and that they were free to question my commitments, but I would also be free to come by and beat the brakes off em.

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that dumb whore.

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yeah, i got a bag of sand if you want that, too.

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As an atheist, I try to restrain my contempt for all religion. However, this shit just makes me want to strangle someone.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:02 pm 
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In no way do I subscribe to this political christianity fundamentalist stuff, but isn't it just as intolerant of people to say that people like this shouldn't do what they do and say what they say, as it is for this woman to claim that she doesn't think gay marriage is ok? If tolerance means that we cannot state our personal beliefs about someone's sexual preference or refer to things as sin, then wouldn't it logically be so to say that you have the same responsibility to be tolerant of someone like this? I guess I just don't fully understand the difference between these two things. I don't know if my question makes any sense or not. I am not defending this woman, it's just a question that has come to my head in discussions like this. Essentially I guess I am asking how you all being disgusted and personally bothered by this woman's statements is any different than this woman stating her beliefs? Why is it intolerant of her but not intolerant of you all?


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well, to be fair, she is a vile, reprehsensible person who has done a lot more than imply that all non-christians are sinners.

I agree with you in that a lot of people can display a hideous backlash to something like this that is not only unmerited, but often worse than whatever it is they're fighting.

Not this bitch, though. She deserves all of it.

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the redworm Wrote:
well, to be fair, she is a vile, reprehsensible person who has done a lot more than imply that all non-christians are sinners.

I agree with you in that a lot of people can display a hideous backlash to something like this that is not only unmerited, but often worse than whatever it is they're fighting.

Not this bitch, though. She deserves all of it.


Haha. Ok. The only thing I even remember her saying is what I read up above. I think the problem is that even if I as a Christian believe that eternal life is inescapably linked to the profession of sins and the profession of belief in God and Jesus (as in, the savior) at it's roots and anyone that does not do so is, according to doctrine, heading for something other than heaven, it is completely different to force that on someone. In that regard, I think it is not only ridiculous that this woman is so vocal about all this, but it also does no good. It has the same lasting effect as the "church" in Iowa that protests soldiers' funerals.

The time of Hellfire and Damnation preaching ended a couple hundred years ago and from an historical perspective is debatable as to whether or not it really did much good back then either. But, she isn't even a preacher, she's a politician. I have no faith or trust in politicians. haha.

This is a similar argument I get into with my father. There is this idea that if you're a christian and involved in politics then you should be about the business of telling the general public that they are going to suffer the wrath of God, etc. When, within a christian context, typically any kind of discussion about christianity, salvation (and other core peices of the christian religion) is based around Christ himself and the fact that pretty much all of his lasting change, at least within the text, came from building trusting relationships with people. (Again, within the Bible) Yes, he preached in public and people hated him, but he didn't run for public office with the slogan, "you're all gonna burn".


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The really funny thing is that a couple days ago she tried to "clarify" her statements by saying something to the effect of "Well, those comments were made to a Christian audience".

That's not "clarifying" anything...all that means is "Ya'll weren't supposed to get wind of it".


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Meatbone Wrote:
In no way do I subscribe to this political christianity fundamentalist stuff, but isn't it just as intolerant of people to say that people like this shouldn't do what they do and say what they say, as it is for this woman to claim that she doesn't think gay marriage is ok? If tolerance means that we cannot state our personal beliefs about someone's sexual preference or refer to things as sin, then wouldn't it logically be so to say that you have the same responsibility to be tolerant of someone like this? I guess I just don't fully understand the difference between these two things. I don't know if my question makes any sense or not. I am not defending this woman, it's just a question that has come to my head in discussions like this. Essentially I guess I am asking how you all being disgusted and personally bothered by this woman's statements is any different than this woman stating her beliefs? Why is it intolerant of her but not intolerant of you all?


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