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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:51 pm 
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I stumbled onto a board devoted to Microsoft's entry into the mp3 player game. 30 gig, limited sharing capabilities, bigger screen, whatever.

I was amazed at the amount of people pledging themselves body and soul to a product - and ONE THAT HAS NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN. They are gobbling up little leaked specs and pics like manna from heaven. Very strange.


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They are gobbling up little leaked specs and pics like manna from heaven. Very strange.


shit, Apple geeks ejaculate over rumours more than anyone else.


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oh, and that's a dope ass large screen. wish my ipod had that.


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 Post subject: Re: Zune
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Dalen Wrote:
fuse Wrote:
They are gobbling up little leaked specs and pics like manna from heaven. Very strange.


shit, Apple geeks ejaculate over rumours more than anyone else.


Oh yeah, I imagine they do. I guess I never see it.

Seems goofy that Microsoft also has a gang of bootlickers. If I had time I would copy/paste some of the good bits.


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I think people are excited about having choice now, as I kind of hinted at in the thread about the 80GB iPod.

The wireless sharing is pretty cool. I obviously wish it didn't have the DRM limitations, but obviously there's not much that Microsoft can do about that. The FM receiver is cool, but few markets have FM worth listening to anyway.

My understanding is that they had a lot more they wanted to do, but had only 9 months to get the product ready since they wanted it out for the holidays this year. Zune 2 could be pretty cool. Or it could just be bullshit, although I don't see why they'd spread propaganda with the basic message of "don't buy this one, the next one's better".

J Allard's (Microsoft VP in charge of Zune, X-Box and similar stuff) heart is in the right place. When I saw him speak he mentioned Peaches, Band of Horses, CSS, and... Adam & The Ants. His Zune also had a bunch of cool stuff on it, though the only thing I recall now is the Melvins.

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Not questioning the product. It definitely has some cool aspects. "ipod killer"? I dunno.

Just fascinated by the fanboys.


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Have you seen the new Microsoft/Ericsson phone?

Very sweet.

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Is that an error message on the screen?

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Is that an error message on the screen?


It is, and ctrl, alt and delete buttons.


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shmoo Wrote:

The wireless sharing is pretty cool.


hey shmoo, how is this going to work? will one be able to send files to a pc, or access files from a pc without being connected via USB? if so, that's rad.


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I'm not shmoo, but I think the sharing isn't that great. It's Zune to Zune, and no matter what you send, even if it's your own song not available for purchase digitally, gets wrapped up in DRM so it can only be played three times before the person has to either delete it, download from the Zune market place, or get the CD and rip it themself. Who knows, maybe it'll still be revolutionary, and this scenario probably won't happen all too often (unless street teamers start using this for guerilla marketting), but I still wish it had a way of differentiating original from label content.

Like shmoo said, there was a lot that sounded cool, but Microsoft just couldn't deliver it all on this first release. I'm just glad to finally see competition in the market coming from companies Microsoft and SanDisk.


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I don't find anything about the Zune particularly appealing, especially the fact that it's run on Microsoft software. Does anyone have any faith that this thing is going to run right or well, especially hearing that they feverishly threw it together to get it out by this Christmas?

The bluetooth thing would be nice, I guess, if only to use it to not to have to physically hook it up to my computer at home, but this will be the first thing that gets them banned from workplaces for fear that people will be sharing sensitive data, no matter how unrealistic that sounds (which will be a generic mp3-player ban because you know how those people are, they can't tell the different between one player and another, so they all get banned.) And the downside to bluetooth is that when it is physically connected, it's getting charged - so now you have to remember to charge your Zune. All I have to do is remember to listen to my Ipod on my drive to work everyday and it's charged. No problem - I rarely don't.

But the competition is good and hopefully it'll get Apple off their butts and innovating again - the Ipod has essentially been the same thing for years now, with only minor changes being added to entice people to keep buying them. Now they're going to have some incentive to do something radical, and you can bet it'll be a pretty drastic change, like the long-rumored full-screen touch-screen Ipod. I don't need it - I have no interest in watching movies on these things, but I guess someone does. Apple's done what I wanted this week - put the 80gb harddrive in the Ipod. In a couple years, I'll upgrade for a 120gb, maybe. Maybe then the Zune, if it still exists, will be something to consider, but I have my doubts . . .

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I don't find anything about the Zune particularly appealing


yeah right. like you wouldn't want a screen that big on an ipod.

c'mon now.


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Yeah, the sharing is just Zune to Zune. As I mentioned the DRM limitations above, but it's not like Microsoft is going to violate copyright laws. They have enough lawsuits already.

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don't find anything about the Zune particularly appealing, especially the fact that it's run on Microsoft software.


You probably use more MIcrosoft software, directly or indirectly on a daily basis then you realize. Phones, cash registers, ATMs, UPS/FedEx scanners...

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shmoo Wrote:
Yeah, the sharing is just Zune to Zune. As I mentioned the DRM limitations above, but it's not like Microsoft is going to violate copyright laws. They have enough lawsuits already.


Well, it violates the Creative Commons license.


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Have there ever been any lawsuits for infiringment of the Creative Commons license, though? Might be interesting to see if it's actually enforced.


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YES, lets analyse it. Might help me get some damn shuteye.


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Have there ever been any lawsuits for infiringment of the Creative Commons license, though? Might be interesting to see if it's actually enforced.


There's been at least one. The license was upheld.


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I'm not exactly clear on how Zune violates Creative Commons. An mp3 covered by this license will expire after the three plays/three days, but Microsoft won't be selling it so there will be no commercial use.

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I'm not exactly clear on how Zune violates Creative Commons. An mp3 covered by this license will expire after the three plays/three days, but Microsoft won't be selling it so there will be no commercial use.


The Creative Commons FAQ states that adding DRM to CC-licensed media is a no-no. I think this is the relevent part of the license:

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You may not offer or impose any terms on the Work that alter or restrict the terms of this License or the recipients' exercise of the rights granted hereunder.


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Ah. That'd do it.

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more info on Zune...

The Zune will come with an FM receiver, so you can take your mp3 player to the gym and listen to the TVs that are tuned to certain channels as well as have all your mp3s all in one device.

The Zune will have a software piece like iTunes as well. It will have a store functionality built into the folder structure, so you can buy straight from your playlists rather than having to go back to the store. This is due to the fact that you might have a lot of music on your Zune that was transferred to you by other Zune users.

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The headphones have magnets on them that keep them together when not in use, so they don't dangle and get wrapped up in themselves.

MOKB asked about combining the Zune and the XBOX into a PSP type device but the question was danced around. It's only logical that it has already been developed.

It should be available in November, in time for the holidays.


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shmoo Wrote:
The Mayor of Simpleton Wrote:
don't find anything about the Zune particularly appealing, especially the fact that it's run on Microsoft software.


You probably use more MIcrosoft software, directly or indirectly on a daily basis then you realize. Phones, cash registers, ATMs, UPS/FedEx scanners...

Of course I do, but in those instances it's in well-tested and time-tested products - not tiny little handheld, thrown-together devices that Microsoft cares more about getting out before Christmas than making sure they're quality products.

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yeah right. like you wouldn't want a screen that big on an ipod.

c'mon now.

Oh, hey, I won't deny that, but it's really not a selling factor - but I wouldn't get rid of my current Ipod simple for a bigger screen. I've kept my dinky 4th gen black-and-white screen for two years now because I was waiting for harddrive capacity, not for a bigger and better screen or the ability to watch video and play games. Apple could have unveiled a 60gb full-screen Ipod and it wouldn't have tempted me any more than the current-as-of-Monday 60gb Ipod did. Now had Microsoft come out with an 80gb player, I might seriously have considered that, had there been enough sales without a lot of failures to make an informed decision. But just based on Microsoft's track record with most of their products, it would be in most people's interest to wait a while and let them work out the bugs. I've had exactly 0 problems with my Ipod (nor with my wife's) in the two years I've had it, so I don't have a lot of reasons to jump ship. Besides, from what I read, they aren't even bothering to put most of the features into this version and are instead saving them for version 2 sometime next year, probably when Apple unveils the completely revamped Ipod.

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For you techie types:

How much longer can they increase hard drive capacity? So, 80 gigs now, I'd suspect 120 gigs down the road in 07.

Aren't we heading for a on-demand wireless subscription service eventually? And will it seem quaint that at one we were carrying around our entire music catalog?

Seems like apple is trotting out the gig increases before that game is made irrelevant.


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For you techie types:

How much longer can they increase hard drive capacity? So, 80 gigs now, I'd suspect 120 gigs down the road in 07.

Aren't we heading for a on-demand wireless subscription service eventually? And will it seem quaint that at one we were carrying around our entire music catalog?

Seems like apple is trotting out the gig increases before that game is made irrelevant.

I think that's probably where we're headed - XM/Sirius is the start and someday that'll be the norm, but they're going to have to figure out a way to beam on-deman content to every user at all times, which is going to involve nation-wide wifi before anything like that can occur. I think we'll see harddrives disappear to be replaced by huge amounts of RAM long before we get to wireless systems. That's just the next logical step - I mean, the Nano is already up to 8gb in RAM just a year after it came out, double what it was last year. Give it 5 years and these days of fragile spinning harddrives will seem like the Stone Age. I'd say it'll be 10 years before we're truly wireless with these things, however - not just because we can't get there faster but because it makes financial sense for these companies to stretch out the transition.

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