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i may have asked this before...but what's so great about U2? i don't mean currently, because nothing is great about U2 now. i mean back in the day, did they create a new sound or have something unique or were they just a good rock/pop band. a while ago i called U2 a pop band (in that they were a popular, commercial band) and wife told me i didn't know what i was talking about. i guess i don't know much about the history of U2 or the context I should place their early work in.

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Bort, they were atmospheric when atmospheric was not much on pop radio. They were sincere when superficiality was the norm.

And Bono's voice/Edge's guitar evoked mood like few other acts. I'm talking album cuts, not just singles. And, like early R.E.M, it was the first albums that impacted, even though later fans became more aware of the later albums.

Over the years thousands of bands have taken something from the U2 sonic palette. Bono has often been insufferable in the press (though he appears to behave that way for his own private amusement), and the hit singles have been played and played and played. There's been a watering-down of what U2 meant to music fans. Inevitable, but doesn't take away that first rush of hearing War back when I was a sophomore in high school or of watching Live At Red Rocks.

Another thing that doesn't often get mentioned is that they were one of the first so-called "Christian" rock bands to soar to critical and popular acclaim and thus were held to the heart of the less-stick-up-ass believers like myself who wanted a reflection of who WE were at the time.


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[quote="frosted"] Bono has often been insufferable in the press [quote]

What's so insufferable about peace, love and understanding? It's the standard to talk about how repulsive Bono is...and I understand how this is, in part, because of the huge popularity (by people who don't exhibit the requisite "coolicity")... but what specifically is wrong with him. I think it's too easy a target to bash Bono.

Bort... if you can listen to old and new Edge solos and think it is bad music, not much can be done to help you understand what U2 was back then musically...

Culturally, there was an intense bond with his audience... concerts in the early 80's were like a revival meeting... and the content, intent, and (hoped for) impact of the music was inspirational, political and TRANSFORMATIONAL. U2 were one of the few, perhaps only, bands in the 80's who readily assumed, and wore well, this mantle (perhaps only The Clash shared it...).

As Pete Townshend said... "we didn't need God... we had the Church of Rock and Roll..." Bono was high priest.

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I meant Bono's "The Fly" rock star persona and his several other late 90's personas. They were parodies of rock star behavior which he seems to have gotten great personal glee inhabiting while the press and much of the public figured he was just a super-bloated ego.

I have no problem whatsoever with the Real Bono, the Crusading Righteous Man. Other people do, but that's not what I was referencing.


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For those still interested in the Rubin/U2 connection of the thread, it looks like www.u2.com is keeping a journal of the sessions.

These sorts of things always fall apart though. Interesting if they keep it up.


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note: i've heard the first couple U2 albums (their early stuff up to Joshua Tree) through my wife and brother. i don't think they are bad, not at all. from a musical perspective i didn't/don't grasp the acclaim the band has gained. they just seemed like a good rock/pop band...not a tired rehash, but not exactly before their time, either. maybe they are an enigma to me.

i can comprehend that they culturally, politically, and inspirationally got something going on, but musically it just hasn't clicked yet.

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Also, Bort, their lyrics are more complicated than they first appear. Some of the ones that seem anthemic are actually about things like drug addiction.


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Nobody talks about it much, but I think their first album, Boy, is an amazing debut. Especially for 1980 from a band of <20 year-olds.


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Nobody talks about it much, but I think their first album, Boy, is an amazing debut. Especially for 1980 from a band of <20 year-olds.


Back when Bono was the nerdy one and Clayton was the cool-ass one.


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Nobody talks about it much, but I think their first album, Boy, is an amazing debut. Especially for 1980 from a band of <20 year-olds.


One of the greatest debuts... and God did Bono look ugly at 20.

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Nobody talks about it much, but I think their first album, Boy, is an amazing debut. Especially for 1980 from a band of <20 year-olds.


Back when Bono was the nerdy one and Clayton was the cool-ass one.


That said, hasn't the band agreed that the only true rock-star of the quartet, the one who has the innate animal magnetism to draw in an audience with just a look, is Larry Mullen, Jr.? (Thus, Bono(vox) conspired to keep LMJ hidden behind the kit.)


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Rubin is producing Metallica's next album too. Bob Rock is out!

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TORONTO (Billboard) - Bob Rock says he feels "20 years younger" after his split with Metallica, whose albums he had produced since 1991.

The Canadian producer parted company with the metal titan earlier this year and is now devoting his energies to other artists and a return to his own recording career.

According to the 52-year-old Rock, "My life is now about my wife and kids, and recording other bands."

Those "other bands" are a varied bunch. He's in Vancouver producing Canadian crooner Michael Buble. This fall, he will reunite with Lava/Atlantic pop/punk act Simple Plan. (He produced the band's hit 2004 album, "Still Not Getting Any.") Rock also is heading to the studio with the Offspring for the act's eighth studio album.

Rock first teamed with Metallica for its self-titled 1991 album (aka "The Black Album"). The Elektra set debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 and stayed on the chart for 281 weeks. Rock helmed Metallica's subsequent albums, through 2003's "St. Anger."

A behind-the-scenes look at that tumultuous project was featured in the following year's unflinching documentary "Metallica: Some Kind of Monster." A petition that some 1,500 fans signed subsequently was posted online calling for Metallica to dump Rock, claiming he had too much influence on the band's sound.

"The criticism was hurtful for my kids, who read it and don't understand the circumstances," Rock says. "Sometimes, even with a great coach, a team keeps losing. You have to get new blood in there."

But Metallica co-manager Peter Mensch argues that Rock "nursed Metallica out of almost complete collapse on that record. Bob is one of the five best producers on the planet. But it was time to shake things up."

Rick Rubin is producing the next Metallica album.

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Rock made his international reputation in the '80s while he was an engineer at Vancouver's Little Mountain Sound, working with producer Bruce Fairbairn on multiplatinum albums for Loverboy, Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

In 1988 he switched to producing with the self-titled debut Polydor album from Kingdom Come, followed quickly by productions for Bon Jovi, Motley Crue and the Cult.

Since "St. Anger," Rock increasingly has turned to working with fellow Canadians at his home base, Plantation Studios in Maui, producing
Bryan Adams, Our Lady Peace and Simple Plan in recent years.

He also produced an act that many consider Canada's most beloved rock band, the Tragically Hip. The resulting album, "World Container," is due October 17 via Universal Music Canada, with a U.S. release anticipated for 2007. Rock says working with the Hip was a no-brainer: "I've always wanted to make a great Canadian album."

Rock is also planning to record an album with his own band, the Payolas. Fronted by singer Paul Hyde, the pioneering punk band split in 1986 after four albums for A&M Records of Canada and six Juno Awards, Canada's top music honors.

Rock is unfazed by talk of a Payolas tour. "I'd get to go on a tour bus with my family," he says. "That sounds like fun."


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Rubin? Yes.
U2? Not so much these days, but Joshua Tree is still an all-time top ten.
Bob Rock? I'll take Ross Robinson or GGGarth thanks.


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Rock is also planning to record an album with his own band, the Payolas.


YOU'VE GOT THE EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYES OF A STRANGER!!!

That is one of my all-time favorite '80s tunes, so ol' BOBROCK ain't all bad.

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Rock is also planning to record an album with his own band, the Payolas.


YOU'VE GOT THE EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYES OF A STRANGER!!!

That is one of my all-time favorite '80s tunes, so ol' BOBROCK ain't all bad.


Whadaboot Rock & Hyde's "Dirty Water?"

You think you can muster up enough Canadian to sing some of that?

Funny thing is Rock is his real last name, not a Flintstonian psuedonym.


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Whadaboot Rock & Hyde's "Dirty Water?"

You think you can muster up enough Canadian to sing some of that?

Funny thing is Rock is his real last name, not a Flintstonian psuedonym.


And if I wash my hands in your dirty water
Will your religion make me clean?
oh oh oh

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I actually remember liking "Knocking On Closed Doors"and "It's Always Raining." Though I haven't heard the Under The Volcano LP since about '89 or so.


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