Here

That's all well and good, but Bill Clinton ain't running in 2006 nor 2008, and never for the White House again.

Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not defending Wallace nor Fox nor disparaging Clinton's record against terrorism. Hell, I want the Dems to take either house if only to divide up the federal govt. a bit. I want some gridlock.

My problem with this is that Clinton has positioned himself as a lightning rod. For the next week, every half-ass magazine & news show will be talking about Clinton's Big Freak Out. Not Iraq. Not Iran. Not Secret Prisons. Not Torture. Clinton, not the GOP & Bush's failings, will be in the spotlight. At the very least, it gives the GOP a chance to catch their breath.

at least this is a diversion of substance rather than some white girl going missing.

I think its funny, as one person on Youtube stated, that any vid with pro-clinton titling was removed, while pro-Bush ones were kept up...

As for Clinton, I really appreciate what he was saying and know partially its true. However, in a way it just gives the cons something to say "he's all defensive" about.

I lurved the comment about the silly smirk.

But there's a chance it could remind the Dems that, hey, this what a real leader does when someone gets unjustifiably all up in their shit. Don't back down, go after the sumbitches an don't be afraid to win dirty.

I'll grant you that it's a (minor) distraction right now, but this episode won't really be much of a hinderance to the Dems and has the possible benefit of motivating them down the road. "Hey, that guy was really good at what he did. Let's take some notes. Rahm, Barrack, you guys watching this?"

It also gives credence to the Dems arguments that they know how to do this shit, too. Hell, the only problem is, its probably too little too late. Clinton shoulda had his War Room on this shit from the beginning. (Gore, too)

I don't think that what the Democrats need is a reminder. I think they need real leaders. Not wet blanket pissy-pants like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry; nor the Career Bullshit Artists like Joe Biden and Al Gore.

Again, I don't think the GOP has much to offer either, but they have the reins right now, so they aren't in as much of a need for a guy who can mash the longball.

I would probably vote for him if he ran again.

You get so close to my point, then miss it. It reminds them they need real leaders and that they have to begin a search for some, in earnest. I don't know who they've got with that kind of gusto and I'll-follow-you-into-the-fire gift for inspiring loyalty, but that's the only route that will get them anywhere.

Of course Pelosi, Dean, et al. will likely just yawn, try to keep Bubba at arms length again and continue building their platform on sleep-inducing issues like minimum wage and how "The oher guys are doing it wrong!"

Sad, really.

Nah. We're sitting at the same bar, drinking the same beer, just with a slightly different interpretation of this minor occurence.

It's not in the Democratic Leadership's best interest to search for real leaders, because that means a fair amount of them need to go home.

Casual voters aren't going to read the transcript or watch the video to see what was acutally said, they are only going to catch soundbites or headlines. Clinton fans and Clinton haters are just going to pump their fists for their own cause, which they would have done anyway.

Also, Clinton Fans would do the country little favor by trying to create a Democrat version Ronald Reagan. Granted, he's 1000x more suitable for that role than Jimmy Fucking Carter, but I just don't find the backward-facing canonization of recent Presidents as "Better than what we have now" as very helpful to the course of the country.

Until dumbass can get a pair of socks that extend up past the end of his pant cuffs, he deserves no respect.

Haha. That was the first thing I saw when Olbermann was talking this up tonight.

Gee, could there be someone else close to him running?

It was a strategic move, it was timed to set out a certain territory before the November election. I am totally convinced that his agreement to go on Fox, and his display, was intentional to piss on some psychic space in the junkyard.

And Wallace is the smarmiest jerk off on Fox. Beyond being strategic, it was satisfying. What Clinton did that Gore and Kerry never wanted to do, were able to do... was strike back. Not let the Rovians define who he is. It was good to see that the Champ still in shape.

The typical sly as a FOX.

I think you all have it wrong. I don't think it has as much to do with Dems and Repubs as it does with him having to keep his ego. Bin Laden is the one thing that stains his presidency from a policy stand point(all morals aside). He's obviously tired of this and is trying to man up on the issue. So he chose the one place to make his stand and find his support. I mean does he look as cool doing this on Meet the Press? He's certainly rallying the troops and furthering his cause. Do you really think Clinton gives a fuck about the party?It's all about Bill. Always has been. Always will be.

Close to him ain't him. And if Hill is gonna let Bill do all the work, then that's just another reason to not vote for her.

…and I approve this message.

Like anything could make you vote for her anyway?

Most of the people that hate Hllary don't understand that the next election is not about them... it's the middle, the soccer moms, the swng vote independents... about three million people will decide 2008.

if the Dems want the so called soccer moms, swing votes, it would be a mistake to nominate Hilaryl

First off, there is a scenario wherein I would consider voting for Hillary. It's slim, but possible.

Secondly, I don't hate Hillary. I do think that turning the White House into a primetime network drama pitting the Bushes vs. the Clintons every 4-8 years isn't exactly the plan to make the most of our fine form of government.

Also, I live in a state with a 2-1 Democratic advantage, and I can't think of a single soccer mom who speaks admirably of Hillary as a President. Most of the people I work with are ardent Dems or Moms Opposing Bush types, too.

That's the convential wisdom.

I think it's very possible she won't run. If she does run, I think soccer moms will be with her much more than the wise guys think now.... doesn't mean she would win, but the implications of a strong woman being president could profoundly upset convential wisdom.

Not quite. Seems like he rightfully defended himself from the same old politics of deliberate distortions which started with that well timed release of ABC's so fictional Docudrama about 9leven.

Well-timed indeed. What better day for "Path to 9/11" to air than for the 5th Anniversary of, uh, 9/11?

Especially to do it on the 5th anniversary, and not last year, because the fourth is so much less important. Yep, it couldn't possible be that this is a midterm election for which trendlines suggest the evangelicals could lose the House. Nah, not that.

Second that 'n' more. Brother Founze, can anyone trully put it past Repubs and Fox Friends to resist the so-called conservative hits? The time of airing "Path to pack of lies" was not as much an issue as the appalling content portrayed.