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So I was thinking about a brief conversation I had in the ole Chatzy the other day and realized I need some help. Let me explain real quick my music background:

Up until I was in the 8th grade I listened to a sorts of crap, Jim Croce being the exception. I listened to him because of my father who had all sorts of vinyl records of his albums. Listening to him as a child is one of my fondest memories. At any rate, when I was in the 8th grade one of my friends introduced me to Diary - Sunny Day Real Estate. I fell in love with that album and listened to my tape incessantly, even went so far as to get a waterproof walkman so I could listen in the shower. I obsessed. But in between that I listened to, again, all sorts of crap. Ranging from Dave Matthews to Creed to Korn. I listened to the Deftones in there as well and still admit to that because I think their first few albums were and are pretty good. In fact, I think I still technically owe Neuroboy a mix of their stuff.

The summer between my sophomore and junior year of college I decided to give a band a listen that my good friend kept talking about. My first initial purchase was The Appleseed Cast - Low Level Owl Vol. 1. Again, I obsessed but then I really started getting into a bunch of other music. I got into Built to SPill, Pavement, Elliott Smith, Jeff Buckley, etc. To make an even longer story short, I really got into music in me late teens early 20's. In many ways I am still in my infancy of music experience.

This is why I always say that my history with music is a little weird. I got a really late start. THat's why I ask questions like, "what's so great about the Beatles?" or "What's so great about Pet Sounds?". I missed a whole lot of music that I would probably be really in to. One band that sticks out is Echo and the Bunnymen. I really enjoy The Killing Moon but have yet to have any greater exposure of their albums.

At any rate, because i feel as though I have missed so much I think it would be great if you all who do have so much experience and knowledge of bands could give me a list of bands and albums to listen to that you feel are essential to the music experience. Music that would broaden my perspective and allow me to have a fuller understanding of where the bands that exist today have possibly come from.

Some of my favorite artists are Pavement, Built to SPill, The Appleseed Cast, Sunny Day Real Estate, Explosions in the Sky, Elliott Smith, Mono, Sigur Ros, Pinback, Neko Case, Jim Croce, Nick Drake, Mark Kozelek/Red House Painters, Eluvium, Fugazi, Bjork and really many others. Most of them are pretty contemporary in terms of the history of music as you can see.

I know Radcliffe already assigned me T.Rex NY Dolls, and David Bowie. I have not had the chance to check out the songs from them that he mentioned but I plan on it.

Recommendations are desired and ysi's are very appreciated. Anything you can supply me to get started would be a great help.


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My favorite record of all time - The Flaming Lips - Soft Bulletin.
My favorite record of the last 5 years - cLOUDDEAD - Ten

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If you don't like The Stones, I probably don't like you.

Pick up Exile...listen for 5 years straight, rinse, repeat.

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Sen. LooGAR (D - MEH) Wrote:
If you don't like The Stones, I probably don't like you.

Pick up Exile...listen for 5 years straight, rinse, repeat.


Yeah, there really isnt a better record than this one. I happen to think Ziggy Stardust is on a par with it, and I think side 2 of Murmur might be the greatest recording of the last thirty years.

But youve likely heard those.

i think that Fight Songs by Old 97's is picture perfect pop music and the best place to start with that band.


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awesome. Great stuff so far. thanks guys.

And by the way, you all would be surprised at the albums and songs I have not heard.

And Gar...I like Paint it Black a lot. :)


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I'm also 16, so I probably know less about anything than anyone here.


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cherry chapstick Wrote:
I'm also 16, so I probably know less about anything than anyone here.


Pick up in this order:

Portishead - Dummy
Cat Power - You Are Free
The Cure - Head on the Door/ Disintegration
Tricky - Maxinquaye
Massive Attack - Mezzanine
Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
Ms John Soda - No P or D
Jimmy Eat World - Clarity
Modest Mouse - The Moon and Antartica
Spoon - Girls Can Tell

Classics:

Nick Drake - Pink Moon
David Bowie - Ziggy
Television - Marquee Moon
Suicide
Lou Reed - Transformer
Nico - Chelsea Girl
The Clash - London calling
Wire - Pink Flag/Chairs Missing
The Police - whatever you can find, you'll amaze yourself with whatever you get
The Smiths - The Queen is Dead

Advanced Listening:
These are less immediate but changed my life and how I perceive music nonetheless... consider these more like extra credit

Boards of Canada - Music has the Right to Children
Joy Division - Closer
Telefon Tel Aviv - Map of What is Effortless
TV on the Radio - Desperate Youth
This Mortal Coil - It'll End In Tears


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Just follow your instinct in the record shop. Don't take other peoples advice.

For instance, and no offense to Posthumus, I really hate some of the artists and albums he's recommend (Interpol, Modest Mouse) or just think the albums are massively over rated (Televison, Nick Drake).

My success rate in finding music I really like is much higher going into record shops 'blind' rather than going in looking for something that's been recommended to me by someone else.

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it's simply a starting point... and they asked for albums and input, not cynicism.

that's like asking ebert for movies he liked and being told to go to blockbuster


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Just follow your instinct in the record shop. Don't take other peoples advice.

For instance, and no offense to Posthumus, I really hate some of the artists and albums he's recommend (Interpol, Modest Mouse) or just think the albums are massively over rated (Televison, Nick Drake).

My success rate in finding music I really like is much higher going into record shops 'blind' rather than going in looking for something that's been recommended to me by someone else.


I think I understand your point a bit. But I am looking for the guidance which has been suggested. For instance, there are bands through the 60's, 70's and 80's that I have just not listened to. Ever. And many are shocked to find this out. There is music that most people would probably agree on some level is "essential" to someone's music experience that I have just had no contact with.

I have heard a lot of the albums that Posthumus recommended. However, there are quite a few I have not. I will give anything a listen. I obviously will not try and force myself to like something that I just don't like. A good example is The Replacements. People were raving a while back about how good/important they were. I was given the whole greatest of thing and I have to say that my first few listens through it have not amounted to much. But, I at least want to be able to say that I know of and have heard some of these bands so I can at least formulate my own opinions on them.

I hate Modest Mouse. Hate is a strong word, but they have always bored me and I have never understood the hype around them. But, that just means I will overlook that suggestion in Posthumus' list.

I think the Velvet Underground and Nico are great suggestions and more along the lines of the suggestions I am looking for. Thankfully, I have had plenty of interactoin with Mr. Reed and his cohorts.


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The Breeders - Last Splash (1988)

If you like the Pixies I'm guessing you'll like The Breeders. Well, if you like the Kim Deal side of the Pixies anyway.


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you should really pick up the BEST ALBUM EVER

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The Cure - Disintegration
The Afghan Whigs - Gentlemen, Black Love, 1965

brendan benson - one mississippi
buffalo tom - let me come over
eels - beautiful freak, electro-shock blues
james - laid

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i also agree with the stone's exile and stone roses which dalen said

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crap...how could i forget this one...

Jellyfish - Spilt Milk

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The Breeders - Last Splash (1988)

If you like the Pixies I'm guessing you'll like The Breeders. Well, if you like the Kim Deal side of the Pixies anyway.


actually came out in '93 but who's counting?

also, define the "Kim Deal side of the Pixies"? She cowrote two songs that appeared on their albums.

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You need to pick up some Neil Young as well, if you're unfamiliar with his work. The best part is that any of his best albums from the 70s can probably be snagged for less than nothing.

I'd recommend:
Everybody Knows This is Nowhere
Tonight's the Night
On the Beach

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I agree with all the Cure and Smiths recommendations, it sounds like like stuff would be up your alley.

I've some more "proto-punk" (i.e. precursors to punk) and 80s "post-punk" for you. (not in any particular order) Descriptions to follow.


1. The Stooges - (self-titled)
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Undeniable. Once you get into this, there's no turning back. I guess they're considered "protopunk" but it's kind of a silly label. They stand on their own. (Check out the obvious Stooges influence on Echo & the Bunnymen on some of the songs Ocean Rain)

2. Modern Lovers - (self-titled)
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Amazing protopunk record. Jonathan Richman is an amazing songwriter.

3.Tones on Tail - Everthing

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The intermediate stage between Bauhaus and Love & Rockets. This complilation is what it says it is: everything they ever put out. It goes from fun new wave hits like "Go!" to weird-ass spacey dark jazzy stuff.

4. Echo and the Bunnymen - Ocean Rain

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A beautiful album. They have many good ones. I listed this becuase it's good all-round and includes "The Kiling Moon".

5. The Cure - Standing on a Beach
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A compilation of their early stuff. Includes clasic stuff like "Close To Me" and "Inbetween Days". But buy Disintegration first.

6. Siouxsie and the Banshees - Juju (or just get one of the compilations)
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Severely underated band from the 80s. They grew out of the 70s scene and then took their music in bzarre and original directions, (Robert Smith from the Cure was briefly a member). This is a good record, but you could also do well with the compilation "Twice upon a time".

7. The Smiths - Louder Than Bombs
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Yes, it's a compliation, but a lot of Smiths records incorporate stiff frmo their other records. Apart from The Queen is Dead, this is probably the best intro to them.

8. Depeche Mode - Music for the Masses or Violator

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These guys have lots of records. The earlier ones are closer to "80s synth pop" and the later ones get a little different too. I picked these because I consider them to be their most seminal work.


Oh, in terms of 60s psych-garage you should definitely pick up this:
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(it's on rhino)

That's all for now, but feel free to ask for further suggestions or descriptions. I love posting this kind of stuff. :)

Note: Artistis like The Cure, Siouxsie and Depeche Mode all have many albums, most of which are good. I just picked ones that I feel are good intro albums or good "surveys" of their stuff.


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Joe, I'm not criticizing your plea here, but I think you've cast far too wide of a net. Maybe if you narrow it down a bit to one particular genre/sound or band/artist + influences, you can not only explore in manageable and related chunks, but also absorb the chunks and form a more solid opinion on what you're listening to.

People will tell you what they really like, especially when you ask them to throw out essentials. I love the Replacements, but I would most likely not recommend them to you, especially after seeing your list with Kozelek, Elliott Smith, SDRE & Jim Croce. Of course there are always exceptions, but it goes back to Dr. Dean Edell's saying, "If you hear hooves look for horses, not zebras."

I haven't recommended anything so far, because I have had a hard time thinking of what I really like that might jive with what you really like. At the same time, I'm only half kidding when I say that you should ask elephantstone, because he and I are almost polar opposites in preferences, with a few exceptions.

However, I will make a couple recommendations. If either of these sound like something you're interested in, let me know and I'll up something this weekend. I also realize that after my post above, I posted two pretty different styles of music. Oh well.

Love :: Forever Changes [ 1967 ]. Was originally incorrectly praised in this here spot. It is actually fucking boring. Elvis Fu regrets the error.

Q and not U :: No Kill No Beep Beep [ 2000 ]. Working off of Fugazi. I wouldn't really call this essential, but it's a fun record. Quirky, jerky and a little to smart for it's own good. Fun bass groove accented by a hummingbird-like guitar that you could dance to, if you're into that sort of thing. They even pull line out of the old cheerleader routine, "D-O-W-N and that's the way we get down!" MD/DC/VA kids. I went to high school with the bassist, and my brother went with the frontman. They are on Dischord, so it's not like I'm pimping some bar band I'm friends with.

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Off the top of my head, here are three albums that I consider essential that I don't think have been mentioned:

[n]The Kinks - Muswell Hillbillies[/b] others here will tell you to get a different Kinks album but you trust me not them, right? Roots, bluesy, rocky, awesome lyrics.

The Clash - London Calling I was a very late comer to this album but I now consider one of the absolutely most essential records of all time. A blend of punk/post punk, reggae(ish), good ol' rock and or roll, and occasionally brilliant hooks and songwriting.

Frank Black - Teenager of the Year Just a brilliant mess of 20 something songs that fly around in every direction. I consider it the best album of the 1990's.

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Actually, based on SDRE, I think you might like Five-Eight, too. Gasolina! isn't essential either (I'm not fond of that term, as you can probably tell by now), but it's a fun ride, starting off with "Stanley" a track about going to school and the shooting bullies, except it's from 1997, before massacres got hip.

The brains of the outfit is Mike Mantione, who is full of DEMONS, and has admitted to being manic depressive, and probably other things. I don't own Gasolina! and The Good Nurse isn't quite what I would want to recommend first. I might have Weirdo around here somewhere, and the title track is pretty fucking spooky.

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Joe, I'm not criticizing your plea here, but I think you've cast far too wide of a net. Maybe if you narrow it down a bit to one particular genre/sound or band/artist + influences, you can not only explore in manageable and related chunks, but also absorb the chunks and form a more solid opinion on what you're listening to.

People will tell you what they really like, especially when you ask them to throw out essentials. I love the Replacements, but I would most likely not recommend them to you, especially after seeing your list with Kozelek, Elliott Smith, SDRE & Jim Croce. Of course there are always exceptions, but it goes back to Dr. Dean Edell's saying, "If you hear hooves look for horses, not zebras."

I haven't recommended anything so far, because I have had a hard time thinking of what I really like that might jive with what you really like. At the same time, I'm only half kidding when I say that you should ask elephantstone, because he and I are almost polar opposites in preferences, with a few exceptions.

However, I will make a couple recommendations. If either of these sound like something you're interested in, let me know and I'll up something this weekend. I also realize that after my post above, I posted two pretty different styles of music. Oh well.

Love :: Forever Changes [ 1967 ]. It's folky & psychedelic, and tends to rank pretty high on All-Time lists. It's a really pretty beautiful record that isn't afraid to turn it up so that you don't fall asleep. Dramatic and poetic; even silly in a few spots ("the snot has caked upon my pants").

Q and not U :: No Kill No Beep Beep [ 2000 ]. Working off of Fugazi. I wouldn't really call this essential, but it's a fun record. Quirky, jerky and a little to smart for it's own good. Fun bass groove accented by a hummingbird-like guitar that you could dance to, if you're into that sort of thing. They even pull line out of the old cheerleader routine, "D-O-W-N and that's the way we get down!" MD/DC/VA kids. I went to high school with the bassist, and my brother went with the frontman. They are on Dischord, so it's not like I'm pimping some bar band I'm friends with.


Definitely not taking your suggestion as criticism. I agree that it's a really broad request that I made. I guess that's because I know there are so many different people on here with so many different tastes. I guess I am not really just looking to find music that corresponds to the current music that I really enjoy. That's why I hadn't narrowed it down. My intention is to at the very least write down the bands and albums suggested and work through them individually. I may try and talk to people that I know that may have this music, go to the library and try and find some, count on board members to possibly supply me with a track here and there.

I will take all your suggestions. Even though I don't like a lot of music that gets discussed on here that I have heard (like DBT :) ) I do respect people's opinions on the board about music. I want to be exposed to all sorts of different stuff. I will like what I like, but I want to try and hear a lot of it, Give it a fair shot and go from there. In many ways I feel as though I have always started from the top down because I missed a lot of the forward progression of music and bands and taste because of my late start into music. Maybe it's a lame way to go about doing it, but I am excited because I am starting to get a little more stable financially where I will have the means to be more proactive with my music purchases.

I would be happy to hear both of the suggestions you made Fu. If you want to up them that'd be great. If not, I am going to add it to my little notebook and just start going through stuff, hopefully starting this weekend.

Just to reiterate. It's not my tastes I am looking to back up. I want to broaden the spectrum of music I enjoy or at least am aware of. Most of you all know a lot more about music from a time when I "should" have been experiencing the same thing. Anyway, hopefully all that makes sense.


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