Right. Because even though he was a footnote of a Dylan imitator, he influenced every bible-thumping Dylan imitator after him. All six of them. And even Dylan's own born-again Slow Train Coming/ Shot of Love era owed everything to the influence of McGuire's Dylan influence.

Heh heh. Yes.

McGuire had zilch musical impact regarding where music went later. But, the song itself (written by PF Sloan, not McGuire), poised as early as it was, had a lot of cultural impact. It was a big hit and about as directly angry in its topic as any big hit had been to that point. It predated the "Dylan goes electric" moment by more than a year and distilled the angry folk of people like Phil Ochs in a hippie-pop fashion that was noticed by many millions.

Smirk if you want, but I'm correct about this. McGuire was never very good, but the song was a cultural milestone.

aren't they the only anti-Beatles people?

What you all fail to realize is that The Dickies invented a time machine in 1987 after having written "Eve Of Destruction"--but having realized the song would go further if people recognized it as a cover, they travelled back in time, fed Barry the song, returned to the year 1978 to release *their* single, and the rest, well, you know the story from there...

Well, my wife thinks most things McCartney's fronted are pretty silly. Likes Lennon a fair amount, though.

I used to also hate McCartney when i thought Yesterday was the only thing he ever did. I was 13. Now i know.

Still, i don't like Yesterday.

She and I don't see eye to eye on Wings, that's for sure.

Helen! Hell un WHEELS!

wait, which Phil? I guess not me.

Also, the misconception that John only sang roughly and Paul sweetly...

John sang Julia, Paul, Helter Skelter.

and this thread got boring.

And Paul sand Why Don't We Do It In the Road.

It's funny, The Beatles are so still so big, and ubiquitous, that they can be taken for granted.

Here's the point where I pretend I didn't make all those other posts and claim the Beatles were all that and a bag of field strawberries.

Because both arguments are valid.

Once again, I am not anti-beatles, I'll start referring to people as douchebags for saying so from here on. It's almost like your Republicans saying were going to "cut and run" because we aren't major Beatle fans.

I did say I would take them over the Beach Boys, just not the Stones and I don't deny their impact culturally and that they will probably always be the biggest band ever to exist.

Simply singing loud and fast and then also singing soft and tenderly, for me, doesn't alter a distinction in the sound and style of the two. John sinigng Julia is dark.... Paul singing "do you or don't you want me to make you..." sounds adolescent and silly.... Nothing wrong with adolescent and silly, it's just that John, to me, always had ghosts and pain in his singing... I never hear a bit of pain in Paul, not a bit...

They both do for me, but i can totally see where you're coming from, john definitely more so for me. However, most people don't listen and infer, because most people are preoccupied when they're "listening". Not this crowd though.

Ok. So I listened to the David Bowie disc that Dumpjack upped for me. Yep. I hear the beatles. I hear them and I don't even know that much about them.

just thought I'd add something even more boring to the dying thread

The Beatles are, obviously, my favorite band.
But I never name them as such, and I never sit down and listen to their albums, because it seems like it should just be taken for granted that they're EVERYBODY's favorite band. And their music IS ubiquitous.

In some ways, history has made their music a victim of its own importance.
Who else's music is subjected to the same scruitiny, by critics, intelligencia, or the public-at-large? Nobody.

Which is the best summary of the thread....

I completely acknowledge The Beatles are light years better than The Monkees. However, more often than not, I'd probably rather listen to a Monkees tune. No matter how great the band, overexposure inevitably leads to burnout. At this point in time, a good 75-80% of The Beatles' catalog resides on my "Probably Heard Too Many Times Already" list. That doesn't mean those songs aren't damn near perfect, because they are. I'm just tired of 'em.

A wise man once said, "No matter how hot a woman is, some guy somewhere is tired of doin' her." That's pretty appropros in this case.