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So while direct postseason performance doesn't have any bearing, the sucess of one's team in the regular season can still can an advantage for Pujols.


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Coming from a Yankee persepctive, I know in the NY papers, for the last 5 years, Jason Giambi (not one of the better defensive first baseman in the game. Probably in the bottom third), has fought to play in the field his entire tenure here so far....

I dont read the Boston Globe on a daily basis...maybe once a week.....but Ortiz is young enough, where they could have put him in the field more then 10 times this year....

he's half a player.....surely, the one half is probably one of the three best in baseball, but still only half, and that should make some impact on his MVP consideration....


imagine if everyone followed giambi's wonderful example. the only trouble is half the league would be dead of hormone od's.

i guess you like jeter for the mvp this year. it might interest you to know that judging by range factor, he is by far the worst ss in the al. since defense matters to you so much, maybe he shouldn't be considered.

hitting is what wins mvps. there is no reason to exclude every dh from consideration.


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despite what his 'range' stats are, Jeter won the AL Gold Glove in 2004 and 2005, and his defensive stats were good enough this year, where he may win it again. Obviouly a few people out there think he does alright for himself.

and shocking, you turn this into a Red Sox / Yankees debate. Do i think Jeter is the AL MVP? no.. top 5? yes? top 3? probably.

but Jeter was more valuable to the Yanks this year then Ortiz was for the Sox.

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but Jeter was more valuable to the Yanks this year then Ortiz was for the Sox.


This can not be qualified.

Oritz won many games for the Sox in 2006. Sox might have been an under-.500 team without him.


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I missed the end, but that catch by Endy Chavez was ridiculous.

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but Jeter was more valuable to the Yanks this year then Ortiz was for the Sox.


This can not be qualified.

Oritz won many games for the Sox in 2006. Sox might have been an under-.500 team without him.


all the end of the year 'voting' awards are subjective.

i know Thrillhouse and I could go all day long on this topic...

Both Ortiz and Jeter are legitamite MVP canditates. Whoever wins, even if it is a third party, would have deserved it, and equally those who didn't would have an equally strong argument as to why they should have won.

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another sign of american league dominance: even an NLCS thread gets hijacked to discuss yanks/sox.


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but Jeter was more valuable to the Yanks this year then Ortiz was for the Sox.


This can not be qualified.

Oritz won many games for the Sox in 2006. Sox might have been an under-.500 team without him.


all the end of the year 'voting' awards are subjective.

i know Thrillhouse and I could go all day long on this topic...

Both Ortiz and Jeter are legitamite MVP canditates. Whoever wins, even if it is a third party, would have deserved it, and equally those who didn't would have an equally strong argument as to why they should have won.

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we actualy can't go on about it all day, because i think jeter is the mvp this year. however, his defense is atrocious. gold gloves are meaningless. they have no basis in statistical reality. range factor is a much more telling metric, and according to it, the yankees would have been more succesful defensively with arod at short and jeter at 3rd. hell, they might even still be playing now. meaing that jeter's ego is in the way of the team's success. meaning that the guy that we agree should win the mvp (purely because it is and has always been a purely offensive award) is actually possibly the reason that the team is watching instead of playing right now. so if the mvp award actually reflected reality, you probably can't even consider jeter. ortiz would be more valuable for not letting his ego hurt the team defensively.

you know, all this talk about mvps from new yorkers is atrocious because of the debaucle in 1999, when the same bullshit was going on about pitchers not being legit candidates. pedro would have won that award in a landslide had he not been left off of george king's (ny post) ballot because he said pitchers don't deserve the award. of course, he voted for david wells in previous years, because yankee pitchers are exempt. had he put pedro 10th, pedro wins. not only does george king get a vote for that gold gove you put so much stock in, be he wrote the article in the post this year misquoting ortiz to sway public opinion toward jeter.

that's all for now.


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im done with the Jeter defense / Ortiz half player debate.

as for pitchers and MVP votes...I think there should be a Cy Young Award for pitchers....A 'Hank Aaron?' award for hitters....and then a MVP award for all players to be open to....

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as for pitchers and MVP votes...I think there should be a Cy Young Award for pitchers....A 'Hank Aaron?' award for hitters....and then a MVP award for all players to be open to....

there already is a hank aaron award. it's voted on by play-by-play and color broadcasters.


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as for pitchers and MVP votes...I think there should be a Cy Young Award for pitchers....A 'Hank Aaron?' award for hitters....and then a MVP award for all players to be open to....

there already is a hank aaron award. it's voted on by play-by-play and color broadcasters.


well, whatever ya wanna call it....make a third 'official' regular season award.

one for hitters.
one for pitchers. (cy young)
one for all players to be eligible for. (MVP)

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another sign of american league dominance: even an NLCS thread gets hijacked to discuss yanks/sox.


Pretty funny, considering one team didn't even make the playoffs and the other got embarrassed in the first round.

Who fucking cares about MVP awards? They are completely subjective bullshit awards that have inconsistent criteria from year to year.


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another sign of american league dominance: even an NLCS thread gets hijacked to discuss yanks/sox.


Pretty funny, considering one team didn't even make the playoffs and the other got embarrassed in the first round.

Who fucking cares about MVP awards? They are completely subjective bullshit awards that have inconsistent criteria from year to year.


who cares about what the best albums are from whatever year you feel like talking about?

thrillhouse is taking all comers!!! the yankees have me mad!!!


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talking in the third person rules.

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as for pitchers and MVP votes...I think there should be a Cy Young Award for pitchers....A 'Hank Aaron?' award for hitters....and then a MVP award for all players to be open to....

there already is a hank aaron award. it's voted on by play-by-play and color broadcasters.

well, whatever ya wanna call it....make a third 'official' regular season award.

one for hitters.
one for pitchers. (cy young)
one for all players to be eligible for. (MVP)

what i was trying to say with that post is that the hank aaron award was created for that purpose. it just hasn't picked up a lot of attention. the first year was based on statistics and then it was voted on. i would guess the reason why it's not as popular is because it's voted on by a different set of people than the other two awards.


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another sign of american league dominance: even an NLCS thread gets hijacked to discuss yanks/sox.


Pretty funny, considering one team didn't even make the playoffs and the other got embarrassed in the first round.

Who fucking cares about MVP awards? They are completely subjective bullshit awards that have inconsistent criteria from year to year.



It's a better criteria than who goes to the All Star game. At least the Sportswriters get to vote on the MVP.

I'd be happy if they just did away with the All Star game and the Pro Bowl.


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another sign of american league dominance: even an NLCS thread gets hijacked to discuss yanks/sox.


Pretty funny, considering one team didn't even make the playoffs and the other got embarrassed in the first round.

Who fucking cares about MVP awards? They are completely subjective bullshit awards that have inconsistent criteria from year to year.



It's a better criteria than who goes to the All Star game. At least the Sportswriters get to vote on the MVP.

I'd be happy if they just did away with the All Star game and the Pro Bowl.


I'm probably in the minority, but the only thing I care about is a pennant and/or a world championship.


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I'd be happy if they just did away with the All Star game and the Pro Bowl.

well, the pro bowl is about the selections and not the game. the all-star game is too, to a degree, but the home run derby and futures game are pretty fun to watch.


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Jeter won the 2006 Hank Aaron award.

*vindicated*

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Too bad he won it when he was on his couch.


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yes, a shame.

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Man, I hope the fucking Cardinals win it all tonight. I picked against the one team I actually root for, but am happy they have proven me wrong so far. If the actually win it, I will laugh all night that Pujols has a ring and Barry Bonds does not.
It's amazing that they have played this well after stinking up the field against the Red Sox two years ago with a much better team. These guys will be the team with the worst record to ever win the World Series if they do it, but who cares, they would have won the Series and that is all it matters.
Where's that AL dominance now?

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i saw artie make out with blue iris as his penalty for losing a bet with chris kanyon. well i don't know about make out, it looked more like he was eating a ham & cheese sub.

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Cards win. Go crazy folks. Go crazy.

I'm not sure if many/any here will appreciate the Redbirds winning. We deserved it, even with this scab-ass team.

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As a long time Cards fan due to family ties, I am glad they won. It was awesome watching them win while I was getting drunk. It's good for baseball that such a shitty team actually took it, far better than the Yankees winning it again.

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