I live in a part of the country where 30k is more than 3/4ths of the residents make. So this thread is a funny thread.

As is the notion that you can always make as much money as you want to make if you just put more work into it. That's true in some instances, very much not true in many others.

Sigh.. first, I dont think enough about you to try to piss you off..

And I already told you that I stand my ground because I am right..

and third, I dont mind pissing people off.. but Ill do it to your face as well.. just as quickly as I can piss people off - others tend to say out loud things they would have been otherwise embarassed simply for thinking

Let me offer my summary: I dont care about you or your job..and if you can justify it to yourself, good for you, you've done your job.

Meh...

Your posting reeks of jealousy of being smarter than people making more money than you.

And of course you care about other peoples jobs that why you made a big deal in the first place. But keep acting cool, cause it's not transparent.

So, you appear to have an across the board hatred of certain professions without regard to individual personalites?

That's damned silly, especially since the Cap'n is such a nice dude and all.

I make sweeping generalizations, I do not judge anyone individually

sincerely,
the lemming hater

wow thanks for the free therapy, Im going to go paint something from my childhood now..

and I have more money than I need, thats why I can educate and not worry about it...

As I said before, the "I don't care" argument is the worst logical fallacy there is. Why have you waded your fucked up, broke ass in to this thread if you plain don't care?

Fuck a buster, don't trust a buster, everybody buck a buster, don't you wanna be buster free?

Some people don't have more money that they need, Mr. Educator Man. Some don't have the luxury of deciding not to "be a lemming."

The sheer disconnect with everyday life on this board baffles me nearly every day.

I said I didnt care enough *about him* - i.e. my intention wasnt to piss him off, dont know him other than he rides some sort of scooter, if I recall correctly.

Well, maybe not baffle. More like makes me ill for the future.

what about doing something like higher education administration or college advising? i've been looking into programs for this, and i think i would really love. going to start applying for next fall, i believe.

I would certainly argue that your idea of "more money than they need" differs tremendously from mine.. I have enough to pay the bills.. and that is really all the money I need.

ok I need to actually tear myself away from this engaging discussion... thanks for all the fish

Stepping outside the bounds of this little discussion, if you truly think I'm a bad person, or materialistic, or a peon, or some such, I'm a little depressed. I'll grant you that we DO put too much stock in buying shit and working to be able to do so as a society... I'd welcome a discussion of it.

I'm just not willing to do it while you insult me. Does that sound so odd? You've insulted me directly 2 or 3 times at least. It's never too late to apologize.

You seemed pretty good at breaking down other but then get touchy and condescending when people do it to you. So you only want people to make more money than they need in things that you consider worthwhile to society. AWESOME. PAUL FOR PRESIDENT. And you specifically called Kyle a lemming if I'm not mistaken or at least implied.

Good god. You can argue all you like and you still wouldn't know the first thing about me.

I doubt he really cares to know the first thing about you. Besides, I think his argument was more against the idea of needing an MBA or Phd to make a living wage and not whether you personally have a wage you can live on.

and more on topic to Phil,

I agree entirely with Paul when he says that all you do is complain about teaching. Either stop complaining or do something about it. I think I'm done reading these threads. They are tiresome.

Cap'n he so cool, he's not even having the argument or insulting you, because HE DOESN'T CARE. You on the other do, and that makes you a lemming. A lemming with a scooter. So, stop arguing on the internet, drop out of those "self-betterment classes" and live off the land. Like real men.

Okay, I see what you mean, Billy. Too bad Paul's so bad at making his points, though. If it's more important to be contemptous than it is to communicate, a person's not gonna communicate.

Lemming With A Scooter.


Heh.

Ok Capn.. I will be serious for a minute assuming that your last post was sincere. If you read my first comment, it had nothing to do with you at all..or anyone in particular. As I said I dont know you. You felt it necessary to respond cordially inviting me to kiss your fucking ass. So stop with this fucking bullshit about feeling depressed or inviting a serious conversation. You made it personal where I hadnt.. you invited the rest.

Downhill fast, Kyle.

... well that's true. I also screwed up assuming you weren't serious, thus my ill-toned answer. That's why, a few posts later, I expressed concern that you might in fact actually think that I, and all other mba's/jd's, are irrevocably and unarguably lemmings. Imagine my surprise.

I don't believe in absolutes, too often.

You still think I'm a lemming? (and it's a 500cc parallel twin Kawasaki Vulcan, classified as a motorcycle, not a scooter, though there is one scooter model I know of with a 600cc engine, but it's rare)

Gasp! Gasp!

Who'da thunk it?

I have the full collection of graduate degrees, and I administer large numbers of educators (whose delightful independence and innate distrust of authority makes it, quite literally, like being responsible, accountable, for herding cats). I am compensated fairly well.

Teachers are not. Classroom teachers of children and teens should be the best and brightest. Attracting quality teachers, KEEPING quality teachers is crucial... the American public schools built the world's greatest workforce from the 40's - 70's. Our systems of higher education attracted talent from around the world. Both of those facts are hardly true in 2006.

Investment is rewarded, not labor. Privilege is isomorphic... hence the lemmingness that it needs to protect itself and will at all costs. But the American idea of social mobility (as determined by work hard, get an education, be rich and own stuff) is no longer really factual. Just last year there was a comnprehensive study that upward mobility in class-bound England was much more possible than here.

As far as the bitter bickering about teachers and lemmings.... a working class hero is something to be, but yer all fucking peasants as far as I can see.