Thanks. That does read much better.
Me fail English? That's unpossible.

I'm here for you.

Not bad for a music teacher, eh?

I think it's not this simple. It's harder and harder to be a sugar cane farmer here these days and the day of the wealthy planter is long gone. Without cheap labor, they'd have to close shop. Now, farmers really have a "don't investigate how legit those papers are" attitude for the most part. But it's pretty much this or close shop. Then we can just outsource all our agriculture products too like everything else.

So minimum wage at 85 hours a week doesn't get them into a taxable bracket?

And maybe instead of a wall it should be a fence. A nice neighborly white picket fence. Maybe the occasional booby trap or sniper's nest, but nothing to aesthetically detract from the homey look. Then we could get a sound bite of GW proclaiming that good fences make good neighbors. The Friendly Fence of Neigborliness. Although the Wall of Brotherhood does have a nice ring to it.

What's the point of hiring them if you're gonna pay them overtime?

Not sure about this but I think most of these dudes are getting paid in cash and wiring that shit back to Mexico every Sunday from Walmart.

i have city folk miopia. i guess i was thinking more about all the dishwahers and such. i know nothing about farm life.

Let's see, $0.37 an hour times 85 hours is.... $31.45 a week in cash after wire transfer fees is $29, which will buy their family 9 buckets of corona and 2 Brazilian hookers.

1.2 billion dollar downpayment on this thing. I can't help but think that would go a long way to restore our coast and prevent more catastraphic disasters like Katrina.

How much is being spent on the war per day?

DING!!!

1. Never given much consideration to names... it's the same person you're referring to either way. I'll use whatever term they want, but then they are here illegally.

2. I don't know enough about the situation to say that the wall would even work or not.

IMHO, I nothing against immigrants. However, I do have a problem with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes into the system, but are eligable to get welfare, free healthcare, ect..at least in AZ they are. I bust my butt to get healthcare, which ain't cheap. If you don't pay into the system, you should be able to benefit from it.

the Government needs to do a better job punishing companies that hire undocumented workers. Especially large corperations like Walmart, and Unico(??, the cleaning service), both repeat offenders

You forgot public education.

$1.2 billion down payment on the project, then a few years later (or after the pres. election) some legislator will advocate tearing it all down.

We could hire Mexico to build it for less.

You know what would be a lot friendlier and cheaper would be a wall of churros...

yes.

1. I think the term illegal is fine. The only reason I would consider changing the term alien is because the general population has seen too many Spielberg movies. Other than that the term has a meaning and it applies to the phrase illegal alien. I am not one so I can't say I truly understand the oppression of being termed an illegal alien. Illegal Immigrant is just as fine with me.

2. I think the wall is sort of a fairy tale response. Isn't that what China did thousands of years ago? I think the real solution is to bomb everyone that isn't a an citizen of the United States.

It is true that a lot of them work, but there are a TON of them that do not work and actually increase crime rates and such. Is it so much so that it makes crime rates in places skyrocket? That's probably doubtful. But, there are certainly many neighborhoods I wouldn't even consider entering. But, that's legal and illegal there. It hink the bigger issue is the relative ease they have getting educated and all the other stuff mentioned in the previous remarks.

I don't know if it would be an answer but I sort of like the idea of wiping the slate clean. Everyone who's here gets some sort of Permanent Resident status or something and then we get strict with enforcing borders (whether that is a wall or not I have no real idea what would work best).

They aren't paying them overtime when it is the under the table sort of job that many people are bringing them up here to work. The rest of them that are working legit jobs with phony papers are usually making more than minimum wage at the meat packing plants/any other industry they dominate do to their willingness to work the grueling shifts. They also get overtime, it is just that there total pay with overtime is often less than what a company would have to pay a normal worker with yearly incentives and health care.

Yeah, we really shouldn't educate brown children, even if they were born here. You know, citizens.

What I have seen, being in Arizona and in a hot bed of activity on this subject, is that a many of them don't even want to have to bother with being documented and taxed, either. There are, of course, plenty who do want to be legitimate citizens and to them I say, sure, come on in, document yourselves and be a US citizen, but there are many who just see entry into the US as a way to get quick, easy, and relatively big money back to family in Mexico and have no burdens doing so. Making it easier to get documented and therefore legal will help, but it's not going to stop the problem - there will always be a large number of people who will cross the border illegally because they don't want to bother with being a part of America.

My question:
Why do we not see these arguments coming from any other nations? No one else seems to have a problem with the process of migrating to the US but people south of the border.

There is a bigger issue here and it revolves around people like Lou Dobbs who think the identity of America is being lost. I live in Canada, where multiculturalism is the way things work, and I've seen no problems regarding the minority population, whether they are undocumented or not, that they take jobs or whatnot.

In America, the unemployment rate is going down! What the fuck are they complaining about?

The fact is, people like Lou Dobbs are protectionist assholes who can't come to grips with the way the world is changing. . . . .the world is becoming more globalised, just because you come to America for a better life, that does not mean you have to assimlate your values toward some backwards middle America suburbian ideal. You should still be allowed to retain your culture, and have all the benefits of living in a progressive Western country.

Lou Dobbs constantly thinks this isn't a race issue, but that's all it is!

How can you say that when you basically have to have a job BEFORE you can immigrate to Canada?

I appreciate you input on this subject but it is ridiculous to ever compare the United States and Canada on anything like this because, for starters, Canada has just 10% of the population of the U.S. and further doesnt have 10-20 million people who have come across its borders in search of work.

My question is if there's so damn many of them, why can't I find a young, hot one to be my housekeeper/sex slave?

Yeah, Fu. That's what I meant. But it makes no sense for us to pay for the education of people who are not citizens. That is simply ridiculous. If they are not a citizen they should not get health care benefits, public education, or any other privelege offered to citizens of this country. It seems pretty logical. I am not talking about kids who were born to illegal immigrant parents on U.S. soil.