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"He [bush] said that remote cameras, satellites and unmanned aerial vehicles would also be used to create a "21st-century" border with Mexico."

Hooray for illegal aliens!
Hooray for walls!
Hooray for WWI nomansland!

I vote for landmines. That'll keep our country WASP and beligerant!


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Since the Jews are unwanted in the middle east and the holy land is an uncultivated desert anyway, they should relocate to Baja Mexico. They'd have the economy up and running in no time and there would consequently be a huge reduction in the number of illegals heading our direction.


But seriously, in regards to the huge drain on our health care system (I'll ignore the education drain because I'm ill equipped to address it) I work at a hospital and the majority of people who drain services are uninsured Americans, particularly the large homeless population that resides in Palo Alto. They treat our Emergency Department as though it were their Primary Care Provider's offices. We are obligated to treat them and will never receive compensation for the care that is provided. This translates into escalating health care costs for the rest of us. We subsidize these people already, so what we really need in this country is Universal Health Care coverage for all citizens and perhaps non-citizens as well. I still bristle at the way the newly elected Republican Congress of 1994 thwarted any socialized health care attempts made by the Clinton Administration. Contract With America, my ass. It amazes me that our hospital saves several hundreds of thousands of dollars a year thanks to the benevolence of the Red Cross. They hand out bus passes to the local homeless, who then ride/sleep in the warm buses that run through the night, to stay out of the cold weather (granted this is Northern California but it can get frigid at night in the winters). Otherwise these people fake various maladies in order to get admitted to a patient care unit and get a sandwich and a warm place to sleep. At a very steep price to the rest of us. There are much bigger fish to fry in this country than building walls to keep out laborers who comprise the majority of grape pickers in Napa Valley and "the help" who cleans my condo (possibly an illegal, but I could care less. What a sweetie. She gets two crisp hundreds from me every Christmas, and I am not bothered if that money ends up in the hands of coyotes who ultimately smuggle her relatives here.) There are too many white people dishonestly abusing disability and leave of abscence laws that I reserve my scorn for. Not hard working illegals.


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There is an issue with waves of immigrants driving down wages, and creating more unemployment for Americans without high school diplomas... this is statistically supported. A guest worker program, which could address those impacts, makes the most sense.

No, sir, there is not.

Immigration depressing wages?


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I don't get it. CNN was just freaking out about the North American Union with Canada and Mexico "virtually erasing our borders" with those countries. Why would they be pushing for a wall if they want a union? I am really confused.


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There is an issue with waves of immigrants driving down wages, and creating more unemployment for Americans without high school diplomas... this is statistically supported. A guest worker program, which could address those impacts, makes the most sense.

No, sir, there is not.

Immigration depressing wages?


That's interesting, thanks. Still depresses wages, but less than originally reported. Lots of the "studies" about the costs of undocumented immigration do need greater scrutiny. A comprehensive study in San Diego about 15 years ago concluded there was a net positive gain from have undocumented workers.

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Living up in the woods on the Canadian border, I don't have much of an opinion on the Wall - but I do think comparing it to the Berlin wall is stupid: the Berlin wall was built to keep people in, not out. There is a big difference there.


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Living up in the woods on the Canadian border, I don't have much of an opinion on the Wall - but I do think comparing it to the Berlin wall is stupid: the Berlin wall was built to keep people in, not out. There is a big difference there.


"Good fences make good neighbors..." the Mending Wall, Robert Frost

It's a good distinction you make. I guess it's more like the ghetto walls in Warsaw... making sure the jews couldn't come into the rest of the city.

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It's a good distinction you make. I guess it's more like the ghetto walls in Warsaw... making sure the jews couldn't come into the rest of the city.



A good comparison, but one concern: Let's not use up the extreme analogies too quickly. If we compare the US immigration policy to the ghetto walls in Warsaw, then what do we compare the rest of the world's policies to? The World War 2 gas chambers? I guess Mexico's policy = The Rape of Nanjing. But then by that analogy, the wall is justified. After all, why would we let people who are commiting such atrocities into our country?


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We can't call black people niggers but white people can still be called crackers, or Indian people like myself can still be called Pakis, coolies, or "Apu". Yup there is a definite double standard. Sorry we weren't also enslaved for 200+ years.


dude, this is America. Land of the free, home of the brave, and the country that seems to have it in for "the white folk", ya know, 'cause "we all racist."

we invite the dumb, and slag the intelligent.


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Jim Beam Wrote:
We can't call black people niggers but white people can still be called crackers, or Indian people like myself can still be called Pakis, coolies, or "Apu". Yup there is a definite double standard. Sorry we weren't also enslaved for 200+ years.


I've NEVER been called a cracker or even heard that word used in casual parlance by a black person, but I've heard Nigger tossed around quite frequently by white people. I don't know what planet you are living on Jim Beam, but save your righteous indignation for a worthy cause you fucking moron. Your post is a complaint that we can't call black people niggers. Nice. Die in a fire you jackass.


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gregrey Wrote:
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We can't call black people niggers but white people can still be called crackers, or Indian people like myself can still be called Pakis, coolies, or "Apu". Yup there is a definite double standard. Sorry we weren't also enslaved for 200+ years.


I've NEVER been called a cracker or even heard that word used in casual parlance by a black person, but I've heard Nigger tossed around quite frequently by white people. I don't know what planet you are living on Jim Beam, but save your righteous indignation for a worthy cause you fucking moron. Your post is a complaint that we can't call black people niggers. Nice. Die in a fire you jackass.


damn, you're pretty ignorant gregay.

where did you grow up? here in the south nigger and cracker were thrown around like a basketball every day. it's something we grew up with.

you can now return to your sheltered life of ignorance and poppers.


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Jim Beam Wrote:
We can't call black people niggers but white people can still be called crackers, or Indian people like myself can still be called Pakis, coolies, or "Apu". Yup there is a definite double standard. Sorry we weren't also enslaved for 200+ years.


I've NEVER been called a cracker or even heard that word used in casual parlance by a black person, but I've heard Nigger tossed around quite frequently by white people. I don't know what planet you are living on Jim Beam, but save your righteous indignation for a worthy cause you fucking moron. Your post is a complaint that we can't call black people niggers. Nice. Die in a fire you jackass.


damn, you're pretty ignorant gregay.

where did you grow up? here in the south nigger and cracker were thrown around like a basketball every day. it's something we grew up with.

you can now return to your sheltered life of ignorance and poppers.


I grew up in Kentucky and 40% of my 6th grade class was comprised of black people, none of whom ever used the word "cracker" as a slander against me. Maybe this was because the majority of my friends were black and they bit their tongues because they honored my friendship, I don't know. Perhaps Kentucky isn't southern enough for you dalen, but if you want to call me sheltered, then you are the ignorant one. My point was that it is reprehensible to slander people with derogatory names, whether you "grew up with" it or not. That's no excuse for hatred or racism.


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gregrey Wrote:
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Jim Beam Wrote:
We can't call black people niggers but white people can still be called crackers, or Indian people like myself can still be called Pakis, coolies, or "Apu". Yup there is a definite double standard. Sorry we weren't also enslaved for 200+ years.


I've NEVER been called a cracker or even heard that word used in casual parlance by a black person, but I've heard Nigger tossed around quite frequently by white people. I don't know what planet you are living on Jim Beam, but save your righteous indignation for a worthy cause you fucking moron. Your post is a complaint that we can't call black people niggers. Nice. Die in a fire you jackass.


damn, you're pretty ignorant gregay.

where did you grow up? here in the south nigger and cracker were thrown around like a basketball every day. it's something we grew up with.

you can now return to your sheltered life of ignorance and poppers.


I grew up in Kentucky and 40% of my 6th grade class was comprised of black people, none of whom ever used the word "cracker" as a slander against me. Maybe this was because the majority of my friends were black and they bit their tongues because they honored my friendship, I don't know. Perhaps Kentucky isn't southern enough for you dalen, but if you want to call me sheltered, then you are the ignorant one. My point was that it is reprehensible to slander people with derogatory names, whether you "grew up with" it or not. That's no excuse for hatred or racism.


Despite the fact that it seems like you completely misunderstood Jim Beam's statement, your evidence for never hearing cracker and nigger comes from stats from the 6th grade?

I agree, it is awful to use derogatory terms for people. However, Jim Beam is right. It is acceptable to call white people crackers, and use some other terms for other races whereas nigger is off limits across the board. I highly doubt that Mr. Beam was insinuating that he thinks we should be able to call people what we want. He was simply stating the existance of a double standard. You can call a white guy cracker on t.v. but if you even think about using the N word or make ANY generalization about black people you can get whacked from your job for it.

I think gregrey gets the comprehension award this week.


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I grew up in Kentucky and 40% of my 6th grade class was comprised of black people, none of whom ever used the word "cracker" as a slander against me. Maybe this was because the majority of my friends were black and they bit their tongues because they honored my friendship, I don't know. Perhaps Kentucky isn't southern enough for you dalen, but if you want to call me sheltered, then you are the ignorant one. My point was that it is reprehensible to slander people with derogatory names, whether you "grew up with" it or not. That's no excuse for hatred or racism.


Those black kids made fun of you behind your back, you white fucking faggot devil you. And the white kids called you "nigger lover".


I have to respectfully disagree with you that it is "reprehensible to slander people with derogatory names"; on the contrary, it is the basis of the funniest kind of humor because it makes people confront themselves and wonder why they are laughing. And, its funny.

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i think it can be funny, but i think a lot of it has to do with context.


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i think it can be funny, but i think a lot of it has to do with context.


says a guy who probably has an SS outfit in his closet.

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i think it can be funny, but i think a lot of it has to do with context.


says a guy who probably has an SS outfit in his closet.


oh. I thought we were talking about derogatory terms. On the other hand, the holocaust is always funny.


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i think the point greygrey's trying to make is why would you want to be able to call someone a nigger? is it really that important to you? you guys aren't really saying that being called a cracker deeply and truly offends you, you just want to be able to have your own comebacks in case you get into a namecalling fight? grow up.


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i think the point greygrey's trying to make is why would you want to be able to call someone a nigger? is it really that important to you? you guys aren't really saying that being called a cracker deeply and truly offends you, you just want to be able to have your own comebacks in case you get into a namecalling fight? grow up.


again, you missed the point. No one is saying that we want to call someone a name. What we are saying is that there is an enormous double standard. And people shoulnd't call me a cracker in the same way that I shouldn't call someone a nigger.


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You can call a white guy cracker on t.v. but if you even think about using the N word or make ANY generalization about black people you can get whacked from your job for it.


So it's not fair. So what? Neither was Jim Crow or what happened to Emmitt Till. That was only fifty fucking years ago. Some of the people who let loose the dogs and hoses are still walking this earth, and they have kids and grandkids.

The world is full of double standards. And I'm not going to get offended at being called a cracker or honky, even if I feel that I can't respond in kind, because that's not quite as bad as not being able to use the same shitter as the rest of society.

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i think free use of the word "cracker" might be the only race related double standard that works in favor of black people.

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again, you missed the point. No one is saying that we want to call someone a name. What we are saying is that there is an enormous double standard. And people shoulnd't call me a cracker in the same way that I shouldn't call someone a nigger.


a.) again, no one in this thread has come out and expressed how personally offended they feel when someone calls them a cracker, and that's because it's not the same thing.

2.) you guys are whining, and on an internet message board no less. double standards exist, get over it.


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I think cracker is a hilarious word, and encourage my black friends to call me that. Or Yaku. Or Ofay Opressor. Or The Man. Or Honky. Or White Devil, Jed Clampett, Cletus the Slack Jawed Yokel, or whatever else they wanna call me.

Most of them freely admit that was probably born black, though.

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i think the point greygrey's trying to make is why would you want to be able to call someone a nigger? is it really that important to you? you guys aren't really saying that being called a cracker deeply and truly offends you, you just want to be able to have your own comebacks in case you get into a namecalling fight? grow up.


no, the point he's trying to make is repping some sort of intellectual superiority that states that making fun of the differences between humans, be it by gender, sexuality, or race isnt funny. It is. Sorry.

Give me the smartest person in the world who believes in some PC vision wher racial humor isnt funny and I'll give you Richard Pryor. He's smarter than that person.

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