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The world is full of double standards. And I'm not going to get offended at being called a cracker or honky, even if I feel that I can't respond in kind, because that's not quite as bad as not being able to use the same shitter as the rest of society.


I wouldnt drink out of the same drinking fountain as you anyways.

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i think the point greygrey's trying to make is why would you want to be able to call someone a nigger? is it really that important to you? you guys aren't really saying that being called a cracker deeply and truly offends you, you just want to be able to have your own comebacks in case you get into a namecalling fight? grow up.


no, the point he's trying to make is repping some sort of intellectual superiority that states that making fun of the differences between humans, be it by gender, sexuality, or race isnt funny. It is. Sorry.

Give me the smartest person in the world who believes in some PC vision wher racial humor isnt funny and I'll give you Richard Pryor. He's smarter than that person.


i agree with you, but i don't think it's about humor for the points hegel and others are trying to make. they don't want to be called a cracker because they can't call someone a nigger in response. that's childish crap, not perceptive, sophisticated humor.


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You can call a white guy cracker on t.v. but if you even think about using the N word or make ANY generalization about black people you can get whacked from your job for it.


So it's not fair. So what? Neither was Jim Crow or what happened to Emmitt Till. That was only fifty fucking years ago. Some of the people who let loose the dogs and hoses are still walking this earth, and they have kids and grandkids.

The world is full of double standards. And I'm not going to get offended at being called a cracker or honky, even if I feel that I can't respond in kind, because that's not quite as bad as not being able to use the same shitter as the rest of society.


I agree it's not that big of a deal. However, gregrey flipped out on Jim Beam. I don't care if someone calls me cracker. I don't think it's a big deal. I do think it is silly for someone to tell another dude to "die in a fire jackass" because they misunderstood the point.

Ultimately, I am not trying to claim something being fair or unfair. Ideally, it would be best if no race used another derogatory term to another race. That's all I am trying to say. Just because there was past oppression like you mentioned doesn't mean it is some right of another to use a derogatory term. And for me, because of the offense it causes to others I don't use other derogatory terms. IMO, it's a matter of mutual respect.


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fick or treat Wrote:
Yail Bloor Wrote:
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i think the point greygrey's trying to make is why would you want to be able to call someone a nigger? is it really that important to you? you guys aren't really saying that being called a cracker deeply and truly offends you, you just want to be able to have your own comebacks in case you get into a namecalling fight? grow up.


no, the point he's trying to make is repping some sort of intellectual superiority that states that making fun of the differences between humans, be it by gender, sexuality, or race isnt funny. It is. Sorry.

Give me the smartest person in the world who believes in some PC vision wher racial humor isnt funny and I'll give you Richard Pryor. He's smarter than that person.


i agree with you, but i don't think it's about humor for the points hegel and others are trying to make. they don't want to be called a cracker because they can't call someone a nigger in response. that's childish crap, not perceptive, sophisticated humor.


Oh, let's not lump what joe thinks in with what your average poster around here thinks. A conversation with him is like trying to debate a chromosomally challenged Bill O'Reilly puppet with a glue addiction.

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fick or treat Wrote:
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i think the point greygrey's trying to make is why would you want to be able to call someone a nigger? is it really that important to you? you guys aren't really saying that being called a cracker deeply and truly offends you, you just want to be able to have your own comebacks in case you get into a namecalling fight? grow up.


no, the point he's trying to make is repping some sort of intellectual superiority that states that making fun of the differences between humans, be it by gender, sexuality, or race isnt funny. It is. Sorry.

Give me the smartest person in the world who believes in some PC vision wher racial humor isnt funny and I'll give you Richard Pryor. He's smarter than that person.


i agree with you, but i don't think it's about humor for the points hegel and others are trying to make. they don't want to be called a cracker because they can't call someone a nigger in response. that's childish crap, not perceptive, sophisticated humor.


you're putting your own little inferences on to what I said. At no time did I say anything about it not being fair that I can't call a black dude a nigger. What I did say was that it was a double standard. You told me to get over the double standard. So I guess you're cool with getting underpaid because you're a woman. Great. Problem solved. A double standard is something, in an ideal world, we should all try and resolve to make things better than they are.


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nigger/cracker are both nouns

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I Used to Be Hegel-Oh's Wrote:
You told me to get over the double standard. So I guess you're cool with getting underpaid because you're a woman. Great. Problem solved.


not really, but i don't presume that whining about it on a message board is going to solve anything.


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So I guess you're cool with getting underpaid because you're a woman.


not if she was working on her shoulder blades, joe. then she'd be a fucking millionaire.

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You told me to get over the double standard. So I guess you're cool with getting underpaid because you're a woman. Great. Problem solved.


not really, but i don't presume that whining about it on a message board is going to solve anything.


Again. Not whining. But, I do feel that discussion of ideas can help lead to change, even if it is just the change of my position or thoughts on any particular issue. Talking/discussing/arguing about anything on a message board is ultimately unimportant and may not change the world, but at least it's a place we can discuss the stuff and a place where there is a certain level of mutual respect between each member here.

"certain level" obviously is defined in a broad context.

And again, I don't want to call anyone anything. I want to make that clear. Originally my response to gregrey was because he essentially told Mr. Beam to burn in hell which is just as ridiculous as me calling someone a derogatory term.


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Yail Bloor Wrote:
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So I guess you're cool with getting underpaid because you're a woman.


not if she was working on her shoulder blades, joe. then she'd be a fucing millionaire.


sad but true.


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Jim Beam Wrote:
We can't call black people niggers but white people can still be called crackers, or Indian people like myself can still be called Pakis, coolies, or "Apu". Yup there is a definite double standard. Sorry we weren't also enslaved for 200+ years.


Wait, we've actually got another dothead, sandnigger, camel jockey out there with decent taste in music (compared to his family)?

Velcome.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
fick or treat Wrote:
i think the point greygrey's trying to make is why would you want to be able to call someone a nigger? is it really that important to you? you guys aren't really saying that being called a cracker deeply and truly offends you, you just want to be able to have your own comebacks in case you get into a namecalling fight? grow up.


no, the point he's trying to make is repping some sort of intellectual superiority that states that making fun of the differences between humans, be it by gender, sexuality, or race isnt funny. It is. Sorry.


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I think maybe gregrey didn't understand that Jim Beam isn't white. He isn't black either, like me, he's the safe minority.

Being the safe minority sucks. You get fewer white chicks then the average white guy even though my people invented the kama sutra. And you can't get scholarships from the united negro college fund.

Being a dot doesn't really bring any kind of privileges of minority. The food is good though.

So in conclusion, i have to laugh at my heritage cause
1. everyone else does. and with good reason, they're a funny bunch.
2. what do i really have to cry about?

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2. what do i really have to cry about?


I dunno, did you Dots get saddled with a "little peckers" stereotype?

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Prince of Darkness Wrote:
I think maybe gregrey didn't understand that Jim Beam isn't white. He isn't black either, like me, he's the safe minority.

Being the safe minority sucks. You get fewer white chicks then the average white guy even though my people invented the kama sutra. And you can't get scholarships from the united negro college fund.

Being a dot doesn't really bring any kind of privileges of minority. The food is good though.

So in conclusion, i have to laugh at my heritage cause
1. everyone else does. and with good reason, they're a funny bunch.
2. what do i really have to cry about?


dude, proof that you are the superior race.

1. kama sutra
2. good food


although i do my best to master both, i still won't be fully accepted 'cause i'm not a dot.


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Yail Bloor Wrote:
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2. what do i really have to cry about?


I dunno, did you Dots get saddled with a "little peckers" stereotype?


How many girls do you know that have slept with dots?

Ask them.

(actually i just grab my little snake charming flute and hypnotize them, then i make with the cucumber)

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Dalen of the Corn Wrote:
Prince of Darkness Wrote:
I think maybe gregrey didn't understand that Jim Beam isn't white. He isn't black either, like me, he's the safe minority.

Being the safe minority sucks. You get fewer white chicks then the average white guy even though my people invented the kama sutra. And you can't get scholarships from the united negro college fund.

Being a dot doesn't really bring any kind of privileges of minority. The food is good though.

So in conclusion, i have to laugh at my heritage cause
1. everyone else does. and with good reason, they're a funny bunch.
2. what do i really have to cry about?


dude, proof that you are the superior race.

1. kama sutra
2. good food


although i do my best to master both, i still won't be fully accepted 'cause i'm not a dot.


I'm going to do an indo fusion restaurant some day. When you're down for SXSW, i'll make those chicken tikka masala crepes

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Prince of Darkness Wrote:
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2. what do i really have to cry about?


I dunno, did you Dots get saddled with a "little peckers" stereotype?


How many girls do you know that have slept with dots?

Ask them.

(actually i just grab my little snake charming flute and hypnotize them, then i make with the cucumber)


I've not been aquainted with any since college.

Personally I think you should don a Chief-Noc-A-Homa headress and do a war chant instead just to confuse the fuck out of them.

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Prince of Darkness Wrote:
Dalen of the Corn Wrote:
Prince of Darkness Wrote:
I think maybe gregrey didn't understand that Jim Beam isn't white. He isn't black either, like me, he's the safe minority.

Being the safe minority sucks. You get fewer white chicks then the average white guy even though my people invented the kama sutra. And you can't get scholarships from the united negro college fund.

Being a dot doesn't really bring any kind of privileges of minority. The food is good though.

So in conclusion, i have to laugh at my heritage cause
1. everyone else does. and with good reason, they're a funny bunch.
2. what do i really have to cry about?


dude, proof that you are the superior race.

1. kama sutra
2. good food


although i do my best to master both, i still won't be fully accepted 'cause i'm not a dot.


I'm going to do an indo fusion restaurant some day. When you're down for SXSW, i'll make those chicken tikka masala crepes


awesome dude. lookin' forward to it!


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every indian restaurant on the southside of town has a mural on the wall of a prince with a moustace in a chariot weilding a scimitar against some barbarians. he looks pretty virile.


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Regardless of where you fall on this racial spectrum issue, it seems the group of people who incur the greatest wrath, are openly mocked the most and who likely suffer the largest degree of discrimination would have to be fat people. The largest percentage of behind-their-back talk seems to be reserved for them. Of course there is always gonna be the self-effacing Louie Anderson type (the equivalent of the white male who doesn't mind being called a honkey a la the Senator) who encourages or makes a career out of fat jokes, but I'm coming from a societal angle here. As I was earlier with race. I love when Artie Lange lampoons all sorts of races or Carlin does pointed criticism of political correctness. It sure seemed Jim Beam was really lamenting the fact that he couldn't use the N word with no strings attached the way blacks use it towards one another or how honkey gets a pass (I still don't see how you can even approximate comparing the two words). As for my die in a fire comment the phrase has been rendered toothless in other forums and boards on the internet by it's frequent invocation that I didn't think anyone would take it literally. Sorta how the word honkey would never get under my skin 'cause it's toothless as well. Nigger is a pretty loaded word, though.
In response to Hegel, I must have used 6th grade as an example because when you are twelve years old, that seems to be the age I even noticed race, or sexual attraction, or anything of sophistication for the first time. Also I was one of only two white guys on the basketball team and most people would assume that in an impoverished small town in arm pit Kentucky in 1986 there would automatically be this racial hostility, but in my experience there wasn't. If anything, the brothers would pick on the poorest of their own before they would go after a white kid, with names or fists. Apparently Dalen had a different experience in his section of the south, but I can speak only to what I went through. Just glad I'm not fat.


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Just glad I'm not fat.


yeah, but you gay. you're missin' out on a lot of great vag.

that must suck.


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Dalen of the Corn Wrote:
gregrey Wrote:
Just glad I'm not fat.


yeah, but you gay. you're missin' out on a lot of great vag.

that must suck.


I guess you missed my Craigslist thread where I mentioned that I was with women exclusively until my 20's. I've had the vaginal cavity plenty of times, just not so much lately because that isn't my preference. I thought we covered this terrain already. To use a crude analogy, vag, for me, equals stems and shake, gay cock equals good bud and straight cock equals hydroponic one-toke bud. South Pacific you have a new quote.


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'Alien' encompasses everyone living here who is not a citizen. It's the proper term for what most people refer to as 'Immigrants' who are only those who come to stay permanently. I disfavor euphemisms like Undocumented Worker. I understand why The Wall Street Journal likes it but why do so many liberals favor unlimited immigration? As Milton Friedman said: "You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state."


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