Is this some trick for vegetarians to expand the possibilities of their diet?

what do you think?

I think it's a double standard for vegetarians to eat what they want.

Fish:
They aren't cute and fuzzy land-dwellers.

Eggs:
Why isn't an embryo considered human?
not that I'm pro-life, but it seems like an appropriate arguement.

Answer: It's all a matter of perspective.

fish i think you have an argument

but

how is an egg to be considered meat?
jesus says life begins at conception

What about fertilized eggs?

EDITED TO SOUND LESS ANGRY:
who buys those?

They are available and, when my family owned a health food store when I was a kid, we sold many.

your family was murderers

were not was

I don't get why anyone would want to be a vegetarian. My moms[/ebonic slang] is a strict vegetarian, which is fine I guess. But all you're really doing is eating food.

People tend to forget that plants are also biotic, just like a chicken or turkey is. YOu're still "killing" that plant.

and the real answer is that fish is meat, and that it's damn hard to cook without dairy. So many elements of cooking are dependent on eggs, butter, etc.

someone told me it's about sentience in terms of being a vegetarian for moral reasons. So, although plants are life, there really isnt any evidence that they feel pain.

Tell me something. Are cows and chickens "intelligent" like humans are? What use do they have, besides giving us milk and eggs? Once they outlive their usefulness, it's time to utilize them by. . . . well eating them.

PLus, it's smart population control.

Vegetarians do not eat fish or eggs.

Pescatarians eat sea food and no other meat.

An Ovo-Vegetarian gets protein from eggs only.

Lacto-ovo vegetarians eat no meat except eggs but allow themselves to have dairy.

Then you've got your pesco-lacto-ovos...

Yadda, yadda, yadda.

But to say just the word vegetarian means they do not eat eggs or seafood.

It's funny though how people often offer vegetarians things like "chicken" because they assume meat = beef.

Then you've got ethical vegetarians and health-conscious vegetarians, etc.

Meat is beef and pork I thought. Fish are fish. And Chicken, including eggs, are poultry.

finally
a solid argument on why we should eat stupid people and the elderly

Most people I've known around here and back home use the term vegetarian in the most lenient way possible. I've encountered some people who called themselves vegetarians just because they don't eat red meat or pork. Pretty much every "vegetarian" I've known eats fish and dairy, and the only ones that don't consider themselves Vegans.

There are tons of reasons for all sorts of dietary choices, and I think the only real issue here is lazy word usage. No one wants to say they're an ovo-lacto-procto-whatever (and they probably don't know) so they just say they're vegetarians.

am i the only vegetarian on this board?

and i'll tell you why i'm a vegetarian. it's because the men on my dad's side of the family have a history of health problems that have been related to meat consumption. and they ate a ton of meat because they were all farmers. (i think my dad was the first in 200+ years that wasn't a farmer.) and to hopefully stop the bad luck of heart attacks, heart disease, and other ailments, my dad raised me as a pesco-vegetarian. (we had fish on sunday nights.) and i went many years giving up all meats, but i cheat with fish occasionally now. i don't give a fuck about animals or plants, but i do care about my own well-being.

Would fish really cause the same health problems for you as beef or pork?

Not to mention kittens...I mean kittens are damn near everywhere.

Who doesn't love a good kitten pie?

doubtful.

as with almost anything, eating in moderation is key. if i hadn't been raised not eating meat, i'd probably have it sometimes, but i simply never developed a taste for it. and, at this point, my digestive system would probably fall apart if i had any significant amount of meat. i mean, there is bad fish too. swordfish has a ridiculously high level of mercury, so that's something to not go crazy on either. i usually just have it once a year, if that.

I have a friend who has a kid that is 1.5 and the kid has never had any meat. I know that is not a long time for a baby to not have any meat, but that could come back to haunt him if he ever does want eat meat, right? I think being a vegetarian should be a choice, not an imposition. I wouldn't expect them to make some meat just for him, and I don't expect him to make any meat himself. I just want this poor kid (who is huge) to eat meat.

The assumption that meat is bad for you is unfounded, IMO. The amounts of protein that you get from chicken is just about comparable (generally speaking) with fish and a bean just don't give you the same quality protein that chicken or fish do. Not to mention supplements which get pissed out and do almost nothing for you in the long run. And beef gives you iron and some other vitamins that are not as concentrated in teh vegetable versions that you can get.

If someone wants to be a veg, then do it. But it's not really that healthy for you to give up any one of the food groups.

I was at this health conference type thing and he was talking about the diets where you cut a food group out completely and how it isn't good for you.

He said, "if you want to lose weight quickly then the Atkins diet is great because it cuts out the carbs that turn to sugar/fat and that stick with you. But, if you want to be healthy, not eating any carbohydrates is not good. So, the Atkins will lose you some weight but you ain't necessarily healthier than when you were 30 pounds heavier". So, I feel that meat, dairy, vegetables, poultry, fish, bread, potatoes, starch, etc are in the food groups for a reason.

I am with the moderation philosophy, barring some serious health risk like an allergic reaction to peanuts or yeast or something of that nature.

Now, my question is: where the hell do Oreo's fall on the list of food groups?

like carlton banks?