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If Democrats would shut the fuck up for about 15 minutes, they might win an election.

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i am still unclear about his comments

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He then said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

That, Kerry said, was meant as a reference to Bush, not troops. Kerry said it is the president who owes U.S. soldiers an apology - for "a Katrina foreign policy" that misled the country into war in Iraq, failed to adequately study and plan for the aftermath, has not properly equipped troops and has expanded the terrorist threat


bush went to school (good schools at that) - made an effort - did his homework - graduated....so who is he talking about? i think kerry was spouting off - went over the line., and was called out for it then came back with i was talking about bush nonsense to cover his dumbass remarks


Kerry's comments about Bush are EXACTLY the way republicans would have played it, had one of their own made a similar comment. Yeah, Kerry is out of line attacking Bush, et al. But that isn't the point. Tough guy talk like this is something the republicans have used successfully for the past several years, and I think it's something dems should use a little more often. Maybe not to the same idiotic extent repubs do, but a little could go a long way.


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Timis Wrote:
i am still unclear about his comments

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He then said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

That, Kerry said, was meant as a reference to Bush, not troops. Kerry said it is the president who owes U.S. soldiers an apology - for "a Katrina foreign policy" that misled the country into war in Iraq, failed to adequately study and plan for the aftermath, has not properly equipped troops and has expanded the terrorist threat


bush went to school (good schools at that) - made an effort - did his homework - graduated....so who is he talking about? i think kerry was spouting off - went over the line., and was called out for it then came back with i was talking about bush nonsense to cover his dumbass remarks


I thought it was pretty clear what reference he was trying to make. Alas, no points for trying and while he should know better, he never will.

Also, legacy admissions much? Hell, Cheney brags about dropping out of Yale. Not exactly leading lights of higher academic pursuit there, eh?


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he can attack bush all he wants.....

but to make that statement about the troops is inappropriate...and then say its bush's fault and owes an apology.....NOPE SORRY


Are your fingers trembling with rage when you type these posts?

Sheesh. :roll:

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I bet if I followed Canadian politics, there'd be some really funny stuff there. At least whenever I listen to New Brunswick and Nova Scotia news for work purposes the MLA's are always hooting, hollering, insulting, libelling and bellowing. Like a pissload of Don Cherrys thundering about lumber tariffs.


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I Spit On Your Radcliffe Wrote:
Are you people all retarded? Kerry obviously wasn't inferring that the troops were uneducated, he was making a statement about Bush. Let me paraphrase for you:

"If you study hard you can make something of yourself, if you don't you could end up being the sort of dumbass president who gets us stuck in Iraq"

TEH DUMB


I wondered how far I would get in this thread before someone got this right.

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crutches of destruction Wrote:
. . . but generally, crime statistics demonstrate correspondence to general pop. statistics, i.e. most/the plurality of criminals are white.



that's not true.


depends on where you're talking about. in federal prisons there's a higher number of white people. but in all prisons (federal and state), there's a higher number of black people. in either case, the numbers are totally disproportionate.
and the crime statistics just reflect who gets arrested/convicted.

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All this proves, again, is that you have to dumb everything down for everyone. I can't wait until the 7th has come and gone.

Just like the pope, even though he meant something different, he should have avoided saying it to begin with.

Now, how 'bout those Bulls?


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Odds Bodkins Wrote:
All this proves, again, is that you have to dumb everything down for everyone. I can't wait until the 7th has come and gone.

Just like the pope, even though he meant something different, he should have avoided saying it to begin with.

Now, how 'bout those Bulls?


Exactly, and his dumbass should stay quiet until the election is over and he should actually apologize rather than vehemently defend himself for the sake of his party. Also, something like 80% of Fox News this morning revolved around this story, and the longer he himself makes an issue of it, the more the GOP and Fox News will try to make it a huge story.

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OPA! Wrote:
Personally, I'd like to know the cumulative high school GPA of all soldiers currently in Iraq.


276,000


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I don't care what he said, the fact that he can't keep his pompous fucking face off the TV for 10 minutes and let the Democrats win, is just fucking annoying.

Now, the story becomes HIM again, and not the 'botched' Republican leadership:

HERE'S WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT YOU:

Notable reactions to Kerry's remarks
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. John Kerry's controversial comments at a political rally earlier this week has triggered some strong reactions from both sides of the aisle. Kerry, a Vietnam veteran, has repeatedly denied he meant to denigrate members of the military when he said students who do not take their academics seriously will get "stuck" in Iraq. Instead, he said it was a "botched joke" that was directed at President Bush. Here are some notable reactions.

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Democratic Rep. Harold Ford, Jr., who is running for Senate in Tennessee
"Whatever the intent, Senator Kerry was wrong to say what he said. He needs to apologize to our troops. However, Senator Kerry's words don't alter the fact that the stay-the-course strategy pursued by President Bush and supported by Bob Corker isn't working. We need a new direction in Iraq. I know how hard our troops work, and the sacrifices they make, for our freedoms. They deserve a plan for victory as good as they are, and as Senator I intend to see they get one."

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Retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General Claudia J. Kennedy
"Senator John Kerry has served our country with great distinction, both in the military and in the United States Senate. The men and women of our armed forces know they have a friend and tireless advocate in John Kerry. When it comes to Iraq, he's right to stand up against baseless attacks, and right to keep fighting for a better course for our troops and our country."

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Democratic candidate Jon Tester, who is running for Senate in Montana
"Sen. Kerry's remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid. He owes our troops and their families an apology. All Montanans support our troops and want them to have the tools and resources they need to be secure and to return home safe."

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President Bush
"The Senator's suggestion that the men and women of our military are somehow uneducated is insulting and shameful. The men and women who serve in our all-volunteer armed forces are plenty smart and are serving because they are patriots -- and Senator Kerry owes them an apology."

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New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
"Instead of going on television attacking John Kerry and everyone else under the sun, the president ought to be sitting at his desk coming up with a plan for Iraq. That's what the American people want. Political attacks won't make the world or our soldiers any safer."

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Former Sen. Max Cleland, D-Georgia, a Vietnam War veteran
"I think people will remember John Kerry's press conference today as the moment we Democrats stopped once and forever accepting the disgraceful smears of Republicans. John Kerry showed our Party how to fight back with the truth. John Kerry is a patriot who has fought tooth and nail for veterans ever since he came home from Vietnam. He has stood with his brothers in arms unlike this Administration which exploits our troops to make a political point and divide America. John Kerry should apologize to no one for his criticism of the President and his broken policy in Iraq. George Bush is the one who owes our troops an apology. This is text book Republican campaign tactics. Everybody knows it's not working this time around. If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they've got a partisan political agenda and that's the bottom line. We're not going to take it any more."

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Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, a Vietnam War veteran and possible 2008 presidential candidate
"Senator Kerry owes an apology to the many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call because they are patriots and not because of any deficiencies in their education. Americans from all backgrounds, well off and less fortunate, with high school diplomas and graduate degrees, take seriously their duty to our country, and risk their lives today to defend the rest of us in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. They all deserve our respect and deepest gratitude for their service. The suggestion that only the least educated Americans would agree to serve in the military and fight in Iraq, is an insult to every soldier serving in combat, and should deeply offend any American with an ounce of appreciation for what they suffer and risk so that the rest of us can sleep more comfortably at night. Without them, we wouldn't live in a country where people securely possess all their God-given rights, including the right to express insensitive, ill-considered and uninformed remarks."

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Oh shit. I did work for her once.

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