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Overall, I still enjoyed the episode, but in all honesty, didn't really feel that panicky, 'can't believe we have to wait until February' for more episodes. It didn't deliver a hammering semi-finale for me.


Well, we know Kate and Sawyer have nowhere to go. We know Jack's not really a murderer and he'll probably save Ben regardless. We got no real sense of what Locke and Sayid are going to do now, if anything. And nobody else got any screentime at all.

There wasn't really anything leaving you on the edge of your seat, dying to find out what happens next.


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all I can think about is how horrible they must both reek.


I was thinking the same thing the whole time. I wonder if they let Jack bathe before the surgery?

How 'bout a Michael and Walt ferry service?

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If we were supposed to be developing a sympathy for the Others by now, it's not working.

I almost felt sympathy for Zeke for a moment, but that's about it.

There's only so much brutalizing you can do to people before the viewer cries bullshit about the Others being Good Guys.

Probably lots of Dharma things in upcoming episodes will shed light on their behavior, but dudes like Danny are not Good Guys. He's just an angry man looking to punish people for his girlfriend's death.

It's several episodes past time for Sawyer to kick ass. I blame the writers for dragging that out. They wanted us to understand that Sawyer REALLY loves Kate. Okay, Ford, now beat the shit out of Danny.


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we get the point hammered home that Kate likes to run. Wow. Over 50 episodes in and we hadn't quite realized that point yet. Thanks, writers.


I think that was part of the point, she didn't run when she had the chance and she stuck around with Kate. Granted there was technically no hope for them to escape. But still, she acted "differently" than before.


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Jack doesn't really want off the island that desperately. He just told Ben that to make Ben believe Jack had a reason for doing the operation. So he could get Ben on the table, out of commission, and hold him hostage. It was all a ploy to help Sawyer and Kate escape.

His yelling at Kate, his attitude toward Ben at the beginning of the episode, and his indifference toward Sawyer's possible murder was all Jack acting. He had to make them believe that he was callous and cold and didn't care anymore so that, when he did threaten to kill Ben, they would believe him capable of it.

When he saw the bear cage couple on the tv's, it reaffirmed what Kate said to him, that she wasn't being controlled. They really do love each other and that's when he decided to do whatever he could to help them escape. That's why he agreed to do the surgery then, instead of fighting or shooting Ben and trying to escape himself.

He's also not entirely worried because he knows somebody let him out that night. Someone's watching out for him and, if they have a reason for wanting him free, they'll do it again.


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we get the point hammered home that Kate likes to run. Wow. Over 50 episodes in and we hadn't quite realized that point yet. Thanks, writers.


I think that was part of the point, she didn't run when she had the chance and she stuck around with Kate. Granted there was technically no hope for them to escape. But still, she acted "differently" than before.


I still don't think we discovered anything specifically interesting about Kate that we really didn't already suspect. The fact that she married a cop and is seemingly carrying on a cat and mouse game with the marshals isn't advancing the character, in my opinion.

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we get the point hammered home that Kate likes to run. Wow. Over 50 episodes in and we hadn't quite realized that point yet. Thanks, writers.


I think that was part of the point, she didn't run when she had the chance and she stuck around with Kate. Granted there was technically no hope for them to escape. But still, she acted "differently" than before.


I still don't think we discovered anything specifically interesting about Kate that we really didn't already suspect. The fact that she married a cop and is seemingly carrying on a cat and mouse game with the marshals isn't advancing the character, in my opinion.


Yeah, I see what you're saying. I guess I could stand a little less backstory at least for those that seem to not go anywhere else, but I really enjoyed the backstory about Sawyer sellin' that dude out for his own freedom.

I wouldn't mind more Sun/Jin backstory either.


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I found it interesting that when Kate called the marshall, she used his first name (Edmond if I recall correctly). There has to be more to Kate's backstory than killing her abusive father to get the her as enemy #1 by the authorities. And remember, she showed mercy when the Marshall was on death's bed early in season 1.


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I still don't think we discovered anything specifically interesting about Kate that we really didn't already suspect. The fact that she married a cop and is seemingly carrying on a cat and mouse game with the marshals isn't advancing the character, in my opinion.


I guess it just confirms what she wants to be on the run.

Plus they had to bring up her marriage again, as it hadn't been mentioned since season one.


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ugh, february.

i don't like juliet at all. i'm so confused. jack was badass. FINALLY.

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I'm getting sick of almost all the main characters. Jack, Sawyer, Kate, even Locke and Sayid........everyone is so god-dammed hardheaded and arrogant. I guess the writers use those traits to make them look strong and create conflict, but sometimes it becomes almost absurd.

I was almost ready to turn the TV off after the Sawyer-Kate love nest in the cage. The ending of the episode was good, but the next few episodes in Feb are probably gonna be make or break for me.


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I've really enjoyed this season so far. I have to agree that they didn't really leave an overly-powerful cliff-hanger for Feb but it was a good episode regardless. A lot of people seem down on it this year but I think the show has held up ok. There are some eye-rolling moments but overall, good TV.

My main beef is that it doesn't seem like any of the stories other than Kate, Sawyer, Jack gain any momentum. The last two years there have always been a few interesting story lines going on at the same time. This year, they end before they really get started. Jin, Sun and Sayid's story line lasted about three episodes. Locke has gone about three different directions in six weeks. There's nothing about Hurley, Claire, Charlie, etc. It's just been a little too focused on one primary story I think.

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Think there's any validity to the idea that Alex is the daughter of Rousseau and Benry Gale?

The backstories are now a formality, formulaic trickery that once added to the mystery of the island, the people on it, and the pairing of the two, but are now just as forgettable as every other time they've been used in film and on TV. They no longer inflect the story, but detract from it. Backstories need to be used more sparingly.

Or the backstories can stay if they get rid of Nikki and Paolo in the offseason.


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I'm guessing Benry is her surrogate father, having raised her from when she was a baby, and then she became a rebellious Robinson Crusoe teen and ran away, breaking his surrogate heart.

Nikki and Paolo are so useless--they're pretty much there to ask questions so that Locke can advance the story by answering them.


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Nikki and Paolo are so useless--they're pretty much there to ask questions so that Locke can advance the story by answering them.


Playing the part of the idiot viewers who turn on Lost to see what the hype is about but then don't understand it, so they need Cliff Notes.

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That line by Jack at the beginning was awesome.


Yeah, I'm no Jack fan, but that's one of the top five lines ever on this show.

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What did he say? I don't remember.


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Nah, Ben said "I'm disappointed in you Jack" and Jack goes "well, you won't have to be disappointed for very long".

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The backstories are now a formality, formulaic trickery that once added to the mystery of the island, the people on it, and the pairing of the two, but are now just as forgettable as every other time they've been used in film and on TV. They no longer inflect the story, but detract from it. Backstories need to be used more sparingly.


Or they could focus on the backstories of new characters, like Ben, Juliet and Desmond.

Ben, like Alex, was born on the island. Anyone think he was abducted from his parents by a previous generation of Others?


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lego Wrote:
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The backstories are now a formality, formulaic trickery that once added to the mystery of the island, the people on it, and the pairing of the two, but are now just as forgettable as every other time they've been used in film and on TV. They no longer inflect the story, but detract from it. Backstories need to be used more sparingly.


Or they could focus on the backstories of new characters, like Ben, Juliet and Desmond.

Ben, like Alex, was born on the island. Anyone think he was abducted from his parents by a previous generation of Others?


I guess at this point backstories for the Others would reveal too much, and the writers want them to remain mysterious. Hopefully, if they're still using backstories towards the end of this season, they'll be for the Others and not Nikki and Paolo.

Otherwise, I agree that they've become pointless time-wasters. The only big mystery left for any of the main characters is what happened to Locke's legs.


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Nah, Ben said "I'm disappointed in you Jack" and Jack goes "well, you won't have to be disappointed for very long".


THAT'S IT!

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Ish Wrote:
Think there's any validity to the idea that Alex is the daughter of Rousseau and Benry Gale?

The backstories are now a formality, formulaic trickery that once added to the mystery of the island, the people on it, and the pairing of the two, but are now just as forgettable as every other time they've been used in film and on TV. They no longer inflect the story, but detract from it. Backstories need to be used more sparingly.

Or the backstories can stay if they get rid of Nikki and Paolo in the offseason.


I disagree that backstories are forgettable. Some pretty classic movies use backstory as the whole movie (i.e. The Usual Suspects). They could be utilized more effectively on the show now though.

I do agree that they have let other stories go like they're trying to rush Lost to an end instead of carrying it out and keeping people interested.

Still the best drama on T.V., IMO.


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btw, as an aside... the guy who plays Pickett was also the same dude who played Tommy in "Valley Girl" and the nurse who drove the Pussy Wagon in "Kill Bill." I knew I knew him from somewhere.


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