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Yeah lets do a rematch, that way if Ohio State loses they have as much claim the National title as Michigan does :lol:


you're right, but they are the two best teams in the country...

And perhaps the best way to prove that is for each team to have a bowl outside their conference, win, and finish in the final polls first and second.


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If Michigan shoulda and they coulda, then they woulda.

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As for not beating a ranked opponent all season, that's incorrect. Penn State is currently ranked 25th in the BCS, and they beat them.


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No offense to Sketch but Penn State couldn't finish 4 in the SEC West this year.

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No matter how big a Notre Dame fan I am, I cannot rationally argue that ND should be ranked higher than Michigan, given the 26-point ass-kicking the Wolverines gave the Fighting Irish earlier this season. However, when you lose a game, you should drop in the polls...period. All this shit about keeping Michigan at #2 because they played Ohio State so close is ridiculous. Anyone who watched that game realizes Ohio State led by DOUBLE DIGITS for what amounts to about 90% of that game. Just because Michigan ended up losing by only three does NOT make it a close game.

I honestly think Michigan should have fallen to #4, still ahead of ND (of course), but behind USC and Florida. If USC beats ND, it looks like they will rightfully leapfrog Michigan, but I think Florida might get screwed out of such an opportunity, even if they win out and ND beats USC. There is no scenario in which ND ends up at #2, even if they were to beat USC 100-0.

The SEC (namely Florida) are the real victims of this polling fiasco. I'm left with the bizarre position of being SO AGAINST an Ohio State-Michigan rematch that there's actually a part of me hoping USC wins next week. And that, my friends, is why the BCS is FUCKED UP.

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As for not beating a ranked opponent all season, that's incorrect. Penn State is currently ranked 25th in the BCS, and they beat them.


Well golly gee, that really blows the whole "Wisconsin has a pussy schedule" argument out of the water.

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However, when you lose a game, you should drop in the polls...period.


So by your reasoning, if Michigan had lost to OSU and then USC lost to Cal, Florida should have been rewarded number 2 because they played a high school team, right?


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As for not beating a ranked opponent all season, that's incorrect. Penn State is currently ranked 25th in the BCS, and they beat them.


Well golly gee, that really blows the whole "Wisconsin has a pussy schedule" argument out of the water.


I'd like to compare Michigan's RPI to Florida's RPI, if I could find that somewhere.


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Or you could use your two eyes and look at the schedules. I don't need a computer to tell me that Penn State wasn't very good this year.

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No offense to Sketch but Penn State couldn't finish 4 in the SEC West this year.

We'll let the Outback Bowl give some clarity on that.

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Below: Florida, Auburn, Arkansas, LSU
Hanging with: Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky
Above: South Carolina, Alabama

That makes it 4th in SEC West, and 2nd-5th in SEC East.

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but I think Florida might get screwed out of such an opportunity, even if they win out and ND beats USC.

The only way I can see this happening is if LSU beats Arkansas, making the SEC championship not as important.

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Or you could use your two eyes and look at the schedules. I don't need a computer to tell me that Penn State wasn't very good this year.

But still pretty good. Gave up 14 points to Ohio State's offense in Columbus. Played Michigan within 7 (at home) and Wisconsin within 10 (on the road). The four teams who beat them have three losses between (all to OSU or Michigan) and are in the top 8. The Norte Dame loss and not having beaten a ranked team are the two sore points.


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Or you could use your two eyes and look at the schedules. I don't need a computer to tell me that Penn State wasn't very good this year.


I'm still trying to figure out where Florida played a top 8 team all year, by any current ranking system. Again.

Also, I still can't figure out how Florida possibly ran the table those last three against perennial powerhouses Vandy, South Carolina and Western Carolina.


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No offense to Sketch but Penn State couldn't finish 4 in the SEC West this year.

We'll let the Outback Bowl give some clarity on that.

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Ok, I have found one RPI, but I have no idea how it's calculated. Michigan is #1 and Florida is #2.


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However, when you lose a game, you should drop in the polls...period.


So by your reasoning, if Michigan had lost to OSU and then USC lost to Cal, Florida should have been rewarded number 2 because they played a high school team, right?


Yes, under your scenario, when 2 and 3 lose, while 4 wins, 4 becomes 2. Strength of schedule is more important when looked at over the course of a full season, and not based so much on what happens in one game. Florida beat the team they were playing this week, while Michigan (and, in your hypothetical, USC) did not. It's all about where you're ranked when you play and whether or not you win the game in front of you.

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However, when you lose a game, you should drop in the polls...period.


So by your reasoning, if Michigan had lost to OSU and then USC lost to Cal, Florida should have been rewarded number 2 because they played a high school team, right?


Yes, under your scenario, when 2 and 3 lose, while 4 wins, 4 becomes 2. Strength of schedule is more important when looked at over the course of a full season, and not based so much on what happens in one game. Florida beat the team they were playing this week, while Michigan (and, in your hypothetical, USC) did not. It's all about where you're ranked when you play and whether or not you win the game in front of you.


Wow, I wholeheartedly disagree. If you lose to a team ranked ahead of you, you should not necessarily drop in rankings at all. That was what was supposed to happen.


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If you lose to a team ranked ahead of you, you should not necessarily drop in rankings at all. That was what was supposed to happen.


Perhaps, but I still don't think this game was anywhere NEAR as close as everyone is making it out to be. Sure, the final margin of victory was 3, but at NO TIME during that game was the outcome genuinely in doubt, other than when Michigan was up 7-0. Maybe if dipshit Lloyd Carr had gone for 2 back when he had a chance to pull within three earlier in the game, a case could be made for a second brief period in which someone other than a full-blown Michigan homer actually thought Michigan was going to win that game. But, honestly, that was a butt-whipping disguised as a nail-biter.

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Honestly guys, I'm all for anything that would screw the BCS over, and what would screw the BCS over this year would be for USC to lose to Notre Dame, for Florida to get screwed, then for Michigan lose by 100 in the title game and have the entire SEC mutiny.


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Honestly guys, I'm all for anything that would screw the BCS over, and what would screw the BCS over this year would be for USC to lose to Notre Dame, for Florida to get screwed, then for Michigan lose by 100 in the title game and have the entire SEC mutiny.


As with the suckitude of PTL'S Achille's Heel, we have found common ground, Matt.

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Honestly guys, I'm all for anything that would screw the BCS over, and what would screw the BCS over this year would be for USC to lose to Notre Dame, for Florida to get screwed, then for Michigan lose by 100 in the title game and have the entire SEC mutiny.


As with the suckitude of PTL'S Achille's Heel, we have found common ground, Matt.


These truly are times of bipartisanship at obner, *sniff*


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And I should probably admit I'm just bitter and pissed that Michigan didn't win, or at least force Troy Smith into another couple of INTs to de-Heismanize him. Instead, I'm looking at a situation where my #5 team will end up in the exact same BCS bowl regardless of what they do against the #3 team in the country. A #3 vs. #5 game should never be this meaningless...at least not for one team. Obviously, this game still means A LOT for USC.

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Honestly guys, I'm all for anything that would screw the BCS over, and what would screw the BCS over this year would be for USC to lose to Notre Dame, for Florida to get screwed, then for Michigan lose by 100 in the title game and have the entire SEC mutiny.


As with the suckitude of PTL'S Achille's Heel, we have found common ground, Matt.


These truly are times of bipartisanship at obner, *sniff*


Let's join hands across the aisle, Pelosi.

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If you lose to a team ranked ahead of you, you should not necessarily drop in rankings at all. That was what was supposed to happen.


Perhaps, but I still don't think this game was anywhere NEAR as close as everyone is making it out to be. Sure, the final margin of victory was 3, but at NO TIME during that game was the outcome genuinely in doubt, other than when Michigan was up 7-0. Maybe if dipshit Lloyd Carr had gone for 2 back when he had a chance to pull within three earlier in the game, a case could be made for a second brief period in which someone other than a full-blown Michigan homer actually thought Michigan was going to win that game. But, honestly, that was a butt-whipping disguised as a nail-biter.


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If you lose to a team ranked ahead of you, you should not necessarily drop in rankings at all. That was what was supposed to happen.


Perhaps, but I still don't think this game was anywhere NEAR as close as everyone is making it out to be. Sure, the final margin of victory was 3, but at NO TIME during that game was the outcome genuinely in doubt, other than when Michigan was up 7-0. Maybe if dipshit Lloyd Carr had gone for 2 back when he had a chance to pull within three earlier in the game, a case could be made for a second brief period in which someone other than a full-blown Michigan homer actually thought Michigan was going to win that game. But, honestly, that was a butt-whipping disguised as a nail-biter.


Spot on.


Just for that, I am throwing my full support behind Arkansas the rest of the way. SOOEY!!!

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ND were one extremely fluky half/miracle comeback from mediocreville. Aldo, how long until they add the Coast Guard and Salvation Army to that stretch of military academy games? Talk about creampuffs...


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ND were one extremely fluky half/miracle comeback from mediocreville. Aldo, how long until they add the Coast Guard and Salvation Army to that stretch of military academy games? Talk about creampuffs...


They played 3 of the top 5 in the Big 10 (a 5 team conf this season), plus the ACC's best GT & the Pac 10's best USC (both on the road). No way they are as good as Michigan or Ohio State or even Florida but I'd say thier schedule is more respectable than Ohio St & ND is ironically the 1 thing that makes Michigan's schedule look as tough. Navy is at least going to a bowl game

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