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Should porn threads be banned?
Ban them. 55%  55%  [ 42 ]
Allow them. 18%  18%  [ 14 ]
I am indifferent/they don't affect me. 25%  25%  [ 19 ]
Institute my recommendation below to mitigate the risk of porn-related squirgglings. 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
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Dalen is kind of the Al Goldstein of Obner.


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For me, this is the issue. I don't have a problem with people looking at porn generally but I'd rather keep this board porn-free for the many Obners who post from work. If we allow threads like that, people from work, such as myself, will stop posting from work, and seeing that I post from work 99% of the time, my posting will be at best minimal.

I like Dalen and would probably sit down with him and watch a porn, but I think if you gave him the choice, he'd want me to stick around. Isn't that right, my love? ;)

But seriously, I think Chase is right, make the mission statement of Obner that it should allow people the opportunity to post from work without the risk of getting fired for adult content.

And Aaron, ban the homophobes while you're at it. They bug me.


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I like Dalen and would probably sit down with him and watch a porn, but I think if you gave him the choice, he'd want me to stick around. Isn't that right, my love? ;)



depends on how much wine i've had. you might catch me on a good night and get lucky ;)


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Kiev Wrote:
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For me, this is the issue. I don't have a problem with people looking at porn generally but I'd rather keep this board porn-free for the many Obners who post from work. If we allow threads like that, people from work, such as myself, will stop posting from work, and seeing that I post from work 99% of the time, my posting will be at best minimal.

I like Dalen and would probably sit down with him and watch a porn, but I think if you gave him the choice, he'd want me to stick around. Isn't that right, my love? ;)

But seriously, I think Chase is right, make the mission statement of Obner that it should allow people the opportunity to post from work without the risk of getting fired for adult content.

And Aaron, ban the homophobes while you're at it. They bug me.


Did you ever think maybe some people don't like you and its not a homophobe issue?


People don't like me? That's a shocker. Aaron, ban the commie too. I won't have any of that hate talk on Obner.


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Kiev Wrote:
OPA! Wrote:
For me, this is the issue. I don't have a problem with people looking at porn generally but I'd rather keep this board porn-free for the many Obners who post from work. If we allow threads like that, people from work, such as myself, will stop posting from work, and seeing that I post from work 99% of the time, my posting will be at best minimal.

I like Dalen and would probably sit down with him and watch a porn, but I think if you gave him the choice, he'd want me to stick around. Isn't that right, my love? ;)

But seriously, I think Chase is right, make the mission statement of Obner that it should allow people the opportunity to post from work without the risk of getting fired for adult content.

And Aaron, ban the homophobes while you're at it. They bug me.


Did you ever think maybe some people don't like you and its not a homophobe issue?


Kiev, would you be up for tag teaming OPA with me?


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I don't mind the banning of porn threads. I can find my porn elsewhere or if I'm really in need, chat with Dalen on AIM about porn. I'd rather have people stick around here than not post for fear of being fired.

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Ban them. We don't need them.

But really we need mods to get rid of the spammer threads a little faster. And people need to stop posting in them. The comments are rarely funny.


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so did anyone else post in dalen's thread after me? i kinda wanted to read it. haha

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Drinky Wrote:
Ban them. We don't need them.

But really we need mods to get rid of the spammer threads a little faster. And people need to stop posting in them. The comments are rarely funny.


This can be remedied if we had two more mods. Three more now with Darrin quicking.


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OPA! Wrote:
Drinky Wrote:
Ban them. We don't need them.

But really we need mods to get rid of the spammer threads a little faster. And people need to stop posting in them. The comments are rarely funny.


This can be remedied if we had two more mods. Three more now with Darrin quicking.


huh? pay attention to what you're writing.
you're either here OR on craigslist.
you can't manage them both at the same time.


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I would like see music discussion on this board.

Porn should be directed to Chat and Opa should be the moderator.

[Opa, I'd like to know what "quicking" means as it sounds rather rude.]

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ayah Wrote:
huh? pay attention to what you're writing.
you're either her OR on craigslist.


OPA!'s a woman?


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I can find my porn elsewhere or if I'm really in need,


yeah. me too.


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I'd say the content of Dalen's thread was fine. She took it pretty hard in all holes, and that's what its all about.

Though, in the future, I would like to see more DP or airtight content, D

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I would like see music discussion on this board.

Porn should be directed to Chat and Opa should be the moderator.

[Opa, I'd like to know what "quicking" means as it sounds rather rude.]


Ooops, I mistyped. I meant "quitting".


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Dalen, for your porn-posting needs, there's Fleshbot; it even has a comment section for each post.

Also, straight and gay content.

You'll be in love... Just don't stop posting here for spending all of your time there. Share your love.


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Dalen, for your porn-posting needs, there's Fleshbot; it even has a comment section for each post.

Also, straight and gay content.

You'll be in love... Just don't stop posting here for spending all of your time there. Share your love.


thanks homie, but i've been a fleshbot lover for ages.

also, http://pornzio.com/blog/ is my fave pron blog. i think you'll dig (as do a few other Obners;)


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I don't have a problem with just agreeing to stop the porn, but we're gonna have to revisit this one at some point because gray areas are gonna pop up

like poop girl, for example...I would think that if your company is conservative enough to fire you for the the girl sharting, you probably shouldn't be on the Ob in the first place

so I vote for "cut it out", but it's definitely not a perfect solution...not that we have a perfect option


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I've mentioned this before, but I would fire the whole lot of you if you worked for me.

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I've mentioned this before, but I would fire the whole lot of you if you worked for me.


Not me, I don't post at work.

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Yail Bloor Wrote:
I've mentioned this before, but I would fire the whole lot of you if you worked for me.


Not me, I don't post at work.


No wi-fi in the mail-truck, innit?


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Another forum or some sort of warning in the title should be sufficient. Keep swears out of the titles, too. If you ban porn, then almost all of the Scarlett J. thread has to go, too.

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There are different problems at issue. The concern with porn-related thread titles is that the topic list page will be more likely to get picked up by keyword filters, creating a risk even if you have images off or don't click NSFW threads.


I know this isn't the point, but wouldn't "New Pornographers" get picked up by employer filtering software?

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"What’s Wrong With the Flagburning Amendment,"

by Prof. Eugene Volokh, UCLA School of Law

(a version of this op-ed was published in the L.A. Times, July 18, 2001)



"Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States, and the flying of the Confederate flag."

OK, so that’s not exactly how the proposed flag protection amendment reads -- I’ve added the Confederate flag phrase. But this little thought experiment helps show that the flag protection amendment is a bad idea.

After all, burning the U.S. flag and flying the Confederate flag are similar in many ways. Some people argue that flagburning shouldn’t be protected by the First Amendment because it isn’t "speech." Well, burning one flag and waving another are pretty similar on that score. I think both are traditional terms in our political language, and should be constitutionally protected; but if I’m wrong, then both should be unprotected.

Of course, burning the U.S. flag deeply offends many people. But so does waving the Confederate flag, even when it’s done by individuals and not by state governments. Many American boys died defending the U.S. flag -- and many of them died fighting against the Confederacy. Burning the U.S. flag is often an anti-American symbol. Likewise, the Confederate flag was a symbol of treason and rebellion against the lawful American government.

It’s true that many people see the Confederate flag as not just as a symbol of the Confederacy, and of a slave state rebellion prompted by the election of an anti-slavery President: They also see it as a symbol of other things, such as Southern pride. But likewise some people burn the U.S. flag not because they hate America, but only because they want to protest what they see as the American government’s errors. Like most symbols, flagburning and flagwaving often mean subtly different things to different people.

So one danger of the anti-flagburning amendment is the slippery slope. If the amendment is enacted, even without a clause for the Confederate flag, many people will be energized to try to ban other symbols that offend them. Think of it as "censorship envy" -- if my neighbor gets to ban symbols he dislikes, why shouldn’t I get to do the same? This kind of misplaced desire for equality of repression is a powerful psychological force.

Of course, it’s likely that the slippery slope will be resisted here, and people will remain free to wave the Confederate flag. But America would be even more endangered by a selective ban on flagburning alone than by a broader ban: Such selective suppression will bitterly divide us, rather than uniting us.

Right now, when people -- mostly blacks -- are deeply offended by what they see as a symbol of racism and slavery, the legal system can powerfully tell them: "Yes, you must endure this speech that you find so offensive, but others must endure offensive speech, too. Many Americans hate flagburning as much as you hate the Confederate flag, but the Constitution says we all have to live with being offended: We must fight the speech we hate through argument, not through suppression."

But what would we say when flagburning is banned but other offensive symbols are allowed? "We in the majority get to suppress symbols we hate, but you in the minority don’t"? "Our hatred of flagburning is reasonable but your hatred of the Confederate flag is unreasonable"?

If you were black and saw the Confederate flag as a symbol of slavery and racism -- and millions of blacks do, whether you agree with them or not -- would you be persuaded by these arguments? Would you feel better about America because of them?

America is different from most other countries, and even from most other democracies. In America, all ideologies are protected, even those that the majority thinks are evil.

Why is this right? Because the First Amendment was drafted and interpreted by people who intimately understood cultural, religious, and political conflict, and who knew how calls for censorship could launch the most bitter of culture wars.

The Amendment is a truce: "I won’t try to suppress your ideas, if you don’t try to suppress mine." And the flagburning amendment risks shattering this truce.

* * *

Eugene Volokh, your humble editor, teaches First Amendment law at UCLA School of Law (see http://www.law.ucla.edu/faculty/volokh), and is the author of a forthcoming First Amendment textbook (Foundation Press, 2001).

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